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Re: Open Challenge: Make a better FRC ranking algorithm

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Originally Posted by Jack Jones
Yuck! Judges? No thanks!

I think the rankings are fine as they are. However, I think the top eight should stay that way. That is, no building powerhouse aliances by picking within the seeded teams. Scouting would be much more important than it is now.

I realize that it may encourage the seventh or eighth seed to sandbag their last match in order to finish ninth and thereby have a chance to get selected by a top seed, but they also run the risk of not getting picked at all.

Maybe this, and having a 1..8 then 8..1 selection order, would make for better elimination matches than the blowouts we get now.
I'm not so quick to block picking within the top 8. At Duel, 25's first pick was MOE, the #9 seed. I'm not saying MOE was sandbagging by any stretch--25 just made the best decision they could under the rules. I'd imagine that you'd see a lot of that under a restricted picking system. (And besides, the other teams in the top 8 can always decline.)

If you ask me, I think the best way to go about it would be to go by QPs, then the average QPs of your opponents over the qualifying rounds. If you're beating other highly-seeded teams, which are usually harder opponents, you'll do better than if you're beating teams that are 0-8. Furthermore, it encourages teams to do everything they can to help the very teams they'll be going against--you want your opponents to win every match (except the ones you're in, naturally).
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