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Re: Advantage given by succesful autonomous mode

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Originally Posted by Salik Syed View Post
I just don't see autonomous being as big a part as last year. Last year they made it possible to do several things (dump in lower goals, shoot, block) this allowed less experienced teams to do things that were still useful.
Now you not only HAVE to use vision, you also pretty much need to have a very accurate setup to actualy score the ring. Assuming that rack is shaking all over the place it might be impossible for teams that do not have a good manipulator design (that can stabilize the rack)

Secondly autonomous does not really give that much of an advantage.
The randomized rotation of the rack makes it so that you do not know whether 1 or 2 lights will be visible, furthermore you DO NOT know which of those two lights your alliance member will pick to go towards, because of this robot collisions may occur. I just don't see 3 different rings being scored very often.
Lastly 3 rings on the rack doesn't pose that huge of an advantage,

Ok, here is where I differ with you. First off even an unexperianced team can still do useful stuff with autonomous even if they are not scoring (and experiance has nothing to do with it, it's all skill and knowledge) such as setting up to collect ringers when autonomous is over, etc,etc, etc... Next, the camera can track more than one target, and the targets are 90 degrees apart, so if it can see two, it drives forward until it only sees one, ta da! Next you forget about how little the shaking of the spiders actually matters, if you do the math and take into account that the keepers are beveled, then you find out that you have a little more than 6 inches of play in any direction. And lastly, if you set up keepers during autonomous, then they can't be blocked, but can be used to make chains during teleoperation...

My 2 cents...