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Re: Keepers after autonomous

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Originally Posted by jgannon View Post
Yes. The legal justification is <G14>, and the practical justification is to prevent ringers from inadvertantly being scored during the switchover from autonomous to teleoperated, as happened during the elimination rounds in New Jersey today.
G14 says that refs may remove ringers that are not hanging. Take them off the field...thats fine. But to go in and remove one from posession of a robot?? I disagree. I DO NOT want any ref coming on to the field and disturbing my robot, let alone forcing open a gribber that is not meant to be open when its not supposed to be open. The robot I saw the ref wrestle a ring from was not in scoring position and would have had no problem dropping the keeper as soon as the teleoperated mode started.

The case where the keeper was scored in the dead period is a gray area, but the practical solution, in my eyes, is just to say that that ring is on the rack but doesn't count and there is no penalty. Actually, a more appropriate ruling, I think, would be an update that is similar to last year (balls shot before the buzzer, but in flight when the buzzer sounds, still counted), allowing for keepers to count that were released before the buzzer (lets say I have a ringer above the third spider foot, I release, the buzzer goes off, and then it settles on to the rack). If my robot is touching the keeper before teleoperated mode (I scored it but didn't released, as was the case today, or I let go, but then my manipulator sags and touches it), that keeper is void. All there needs to be is a standard 5 second minimum delay for refs to verify scored, null, or nothing (obviously the longer delay is acceptable as well if they need to go on the field to look........but I still have my issues with that), and the problem is solved.
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