[Roger]

Jane, thanks for the PM explaination about "shrugs". I figured it had to do with the speech, but with the time delay between Dean and the interpreter, and the interpreter and me, and me wanting to take a nap, I couldn't quite place it. I agree it must be Dean saying "I don't know" or similar, not the interpreter saying "I have no idea what this guy is talking about".

That is not an easy job, interpreting!