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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
To think that the refs at UTC called things differently when 25 was on the field then when they weren't is just being a poor sport. There is no massive conspiracy to prevent 25 from winning. From the description in this thread, nobody violated <G35> OR <G39>. Incidental contact outside the bumper zones (such as arms contacting each other while one team play defense). It is especially permitted here:
If the other team had used it's arm to grapple or latch onto your game piece, it would have violated the rules. If the other teams used it's arm to purposely damage yours, it would have violated the rules. If the other team used it's arm to tip yours, it would have violated the rules. If the other teams used their arm (and arm alone, not movement from the base resulting in contact with the arms) to hit your robot, it may or may not be against the rules. Otherwise most arm-to-arm contact will be permitted, especially by refs at a regional like UTC.
As for <G39>, the wording is ambiguous as to who receives protection from the pinning rule while scoring, the scoring team, or the defensive team, but it appears that refs are ruling that the team playing defense can pin as long as they wish legally. No rules violation there either.
From what I have heard in this thread, no rules were violated. When I watch the video, I may or may not change my mind.
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Sean, I believe my teammate did not put things the right way. A rule book is only effective if things are always done by the book, and always the same. That said, it is not fair that at some regionals penalties are called on the field, and at others--the issue is dealt with 'off the field'. The rules have a purpose, and that is fair game play. Matters can be discussed with teams off the field all the time, but a penalty still sends the message more clearly.
The referees at UTC were very understanding by all means--they took the time to listen to our side and made tough judgment calls that not everyone was happy with. But that's what FIRST and GP is about.
We learned a lesson for next time, and we will be ready for Atlanta in the coming weeks.