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Re: Championship Event - Where the "Random" Match Sorting Really "Shines"

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Originally Posted by JudyVandy View Post
Without any background info on the above division into V, M and Y, I'm going to take issue with the numerical break points. Most of the under 1000 numbers were generated by order of registration during a year when there were only about 600-800 teams. Prior to that point, each team received a new number each year.

To truly apply these descriptions to present teams, you'd have to do a bit of research into the teams given these numbers to see when they really began operation.
Judy:

Your comments are exactly those shared by so many - team number is not an effective indicator of team quality.


For anyone who might not be aware of how all this works....

It has been proven by many that this Veteran, Mid-Level, Young categorical breakdown based on team number is exactly what is used as the basis for the match generating algorithm for the 2007 regionals:
  • A team is guaranteed to never be allied with anyone within their own category during qualifying.
  • Given the complete team list, you can predict with 100% accuracy the bulk of the 1st round of qualifying matches at any event - I've personally predicted this successfully at Buckeye and GTR. All you have to do is go down the columns of the correctly-sorted category list and split off every 2 rows into individual matches (see below).
  • It's a safe bet that the 2 lowest-numbered teams at an event/division will play against each other in Match #1 of the event. 48 has had the "pleasure" of going first at both Buckeye and GTR. While the 1st round match list pairings at Pittsburgh followed the above prediction procedure, we weren't in the first match there - we were in the 3rd match - perhaps the regional staff was finessing the ordering of the matches around a bit?
Code:
1st Round Match List for Theoretical Newton Division 
(Listed in 1st Thread Post)
 
Match #1
20  357  1305
34  365  1341
 
 
Match #2
48  395  1418
60  456  1502
 
 
Match #3  
67  469  1510  
74  498  1523
 
Match #4
86  527  1535
97  558  1563
 
Match #5
108 612  1617
121 648  1647
 
 
Match #6
126 694  1675
141 716  1700
 
 
Match #7
159 771  1714
176 830  1732
 
Match #8
180 862  1811
195 910  1850
 
Match #9
224 967  1872
234 1001 1929
 
Match #10
246 1015 2010
269 1033 2046
 
Match #11
291 1087 2067
314 1114 2100
 
Match #12
330 1137 2137
339 1155 2182
 
Match #13
343 1218 2252
??? 1270 2283
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Last edited by Travis Hoffman : 01-04-2007 at 20:56. Reason: Face? Ally with? What's the dif. It was early in the morning following GTR - give me a break! :-)