I posted last night right around post 4. By the time I finished writing my post, several had been added. I was a little concerned with the direction the thread was taking. Because I could not find the quotes I was looking for, I decided it was best to delete my post. It is good to see folks attempt to steer this thread into one of thoughtful discussion and away from insinuations and finger pointing.
This morning I found one of the posts. (I was looking for 2 particular quotes regarding the topic from wise mentors who both happen to come from the same team, FRC 234, Cyber Blue.) Mr. Ritchie provides an excellent perspective when approaching FIRST, Kick Off, and discussions like this.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=38
I appreciate the whole post, the part below in bold (my emphasis) is valuable.
Our students value the education and experience the mentors have that they have yet to achieve. At that point they step back and observe how things are done by professionals.To have respect for the process you are in right now, respect the knowledge around you by using it to your full advantage. By having the engineers involved you bring in industry standards, project management, and fresh ideas.
Excellent food for thought, I won't need breakfast now.

Jane
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