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Re: MAYBE THEY ARE SEEING CALLS!!!
Posted by Mike McIntyre.   [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #1, Juggernaut, from Oakland Technical Center Northeast and 3 Dimensional Services.
Posted on 4/2/2000 12:50 AM MST
In Reply to: Re: Maybe they are seeing no calls.. posted by Brett R. on 3/29/2000 4:10 PM MST:
I just re-read rules DQ1 to DQ5 and I can't find the definitive rule that Brett states. Where is it? If you have some rules (or updates) that we don't know about, please share them. You say: 'Pushing to get people off the bar may be acceptable' and I agree: we watched your robot ram our alliance partner at high speed in the finals at Michigan and send them flying to the floor. You then hooked on to the bar for 10. Good for you, too bad for our smashed partner. But you also say: '...but what Oaktech (sic) was doing to us in the finals in Chicago was definitely not legal. The rules say you can fight a robot to stop it from making it to the bar, but once they are on you aren't supposed to attack them...' WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS? You continue: ...'(unless you are 'going' for the bar) but Oaktech was lifting us and pulling. Not going for the bar.' Untrue: we really wanted that bar, but you got there first! All this really puzzles me. I can't find the rules you quote anywhere and even if they exist I don't understand how what we did is any different than what you guys do. When an opponent is on the bar and we want on, we push it. Maybe not at full ramming speed like you guys, but we push it, pry it, and rotate our opponents up on the bar: sometimes they fall off the bar (once one landed on us and broke our lead screw!) and sometimes they don't. There is no malicious intent, we simply would rather have the 10 points than let our opponents have them. From watching fine defensive teams like #201 and #249, and from listening to Woodie's comments at the start of each tournament, we have come to feel that this struggle on the ramp is suppose to be pretty rough-and-tumble. Every year there are many grey areas in FIRST. The year that #121 Naval UnderSea Warfare started flipping people over we all vilified them because we said that they weren't 'playing by the rules.' Actually, they were simply not playing by OUR INTERPRETATION of the rules. FIRST commended them on their clever strategy! Brett, you're probably feeling now like I did then. Well, either FIRST has a bunch of incompetent refs or we're still playing within the confines of the(albeit gray) rules. I think the refs are doing a fine job: what do the rest of you think? As Joe likes to say: do tell...
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