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Re: Impeding in Hybrid

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Originally Posted by T3_1565 View Post
See the problem with this argument it the fact that the refs have to assume things.. which they aren't going to do. You can't assume they are blocking on purpose, as was said (wrong place at the wrong time). and you can't assume that the speedy bots aren't trying to hit people (they only do laps cause they "miss" the opposing robots). So if you leave it up to assuming they you will get bad calls.

Better to make sure your robot doesn't travel a billion mile an hour around a corner or, like was said, in the opposing zone.

And as was said a billion mile an hour auto mode has never been allowed, why should it be now, whereas defensive autos have always been allowed.
Firstly, it was extremely evident to me that certain teams started off with automodes that traveled around the field, then they figured out that they weren't working that well, and that other teams were getting HUGE hybrid scores. At this point I noticed said teams abandoning their previous efforts, moving forward three feet, and stopping. Why else would you do this, when it goes against previously established behavior, unless you were trying to impede the opposing alliance?

Furthermore, a "billion mile an hour" automode has been allowed. Teams have had extremely fast autonomous modes in 2003 and 2004. I saw some extremely violent collisions in both years. I don't ever recall seeing a DQ or penalty for such.

Your point about defensive automodes always being allowed is kind of moot, as the Q&A referenced above clearly prohibits it this season.

If there's no way to determine intent with respect to blocking (and I think there very clearly is. It was 110% clear who was attempting to impede other alliances, and who was trying to run laps), then I think there's no logical way that you can penalize/yellow card/dq a team that happens to hit such a team who may or may not be impeding the track intentionally.

If you penalize the team trying to navigate the field, then the impeding robot has scored a double victory--they have avoided a yellow card that I believe they certainly deserve, and they have given their opponent a penalty/yellow/red card. How is this fair?

I think a yellow card is a totally justifiable penalty. With teams like MWR had, two good hybrid bots on one alliance can score between 24-32 points in lines, and 8-16 points in balls, plus whatever the third robot can do. With teams impeding at the far lane divider, the most these 2 teams can score is 16 points in lines and 8-16 points in balls. Even if the offending team were assessed a 10 point penalty, they have effectively negated up to 24-32 points for the other alliance. Without the yellow card, it would be totally worth it for everyone who did not have a great hybrid mode to just camp at the corner and take 10 point penalties all day, to keep more than 10 points from being scored against them.

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Originally Posted by T3_1565 View Post
I agree a verbal warning would of been good, instead of right to the yellow card
To be fair to the referees, us armchair quarterbacks have no idea whether 1114 was or was not given such a warning prior to being carded.
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