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Originally Posted by zivo123
...while watching game #64 in the ST.Louis regional ( http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv...p?matchid=5276)
a slight rule misunderstanding occurred to me:
team 525 starts the match by knocking their opponent's ball. the narrator says clearly that "they wont get points for that" but the other team didn't get points too(you can clearly see 3 robots passing the first line and the finished the hybrid with 16 so no points were added).
The game rules clearly say that the other alliance should've gotten these points:
" <G08> All TRACKBALL scores are awarded to the ALLIANCE associated with the scored TRACKBALL, independent of the ROBOT that may have caused the scoring action to occur.
<G09> During the HYBRID PERIOD, each TRACKBALL that is removed from the OVERPASS (i.e. completely removed from its initial TARGET LOCATION and not in contact with any portions of the OVERPASS) at the end of the HYBRID PERIOD will earn 8 points. "
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...0Game-RevG.pdf
and i've double checked in the Q&A and it says the same thing there:
"If we knock down an opponent's ball during Hybrid Period?
Posted by FRC1594 at 01/09/2008 05:34:39 pm
Who scores if we knock an opponent's ball off the overpass in the Hybrid Period?
Re: If we knock down an opponent's ball during Hybrid Period?
Posted by GDC at 01/10/2008 09:22:16 pm
As noted in Rule <G08>, all Trackball scores are awarded to the Alliance associated with the scored Trackball, independent of what Robot may have caused the scoring action. So if you knock your opponent's Trackball off the Overpass during the Hybrid Period, the opponent will receive the points."
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...0Game-RevG.pdf
was there a mistake in this specific game? BTW, not that its any of my buisness but the red alliance needed those points to win..
any light shed on this issue, and any comments are extremely weelcome..
sorry its a bit ling, hope you'll read it anyway and enjoy 
thanks, Ziv |
Ziv,
Good eye, and thank you for posting facts that support your point of view. It is refreshing to see things presented in a Professional manner. (Yes, I am referring to another thread.)
I agree with your observation.
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Originally Posted by 1075guy
Seems to me you've detected a glaring error, that could have potentially changed the outcome of the regional.
I've already been flamed at for sounding off on the referees, as well as commended in private by some for not being afraid to say what many CDers won't.
All I'm going to say on this one is one word that is of utmost importance, and FIRST seems to be having alot of trouble with of late: consistency.
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1075guy,
Please do not be afraid to express your opinion. Just make sure your comments are supported by facts and not just venting. Ziv has given a great example here.
As for your comment about consistency.
Remember, the Ref's are volunteers and only are representing FIRST. They are not FIRST. So, you comment about FIRST and consistency is not really supported.
Now, I will agree, consistency in how the rules have been applied this year, from regional to regional, does seem to be a little less than consistent. This is just based on my own observations of the web casts. I have not attended, and will not be able to attend
, any regionals this year.
But ,you must admit, within any given regional, the Ref's have been consistent. Their interpretation of the rules is equally applied to both Alliances, each and every match, throughout the competition. At least their application of the rules is fair to all.