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Originally Posted by Derek Bessette
<G23> can cause a penalty to be "excused" if the opposing alliance causes he penalty to happen. I could argue that red wouldn't have taken a penalty if blue hadn't lost a tread and therefore blue caused red to take a penalty.
I prefer the other argument better. It's more interesting.
The "in this manner" portion of this rule is referencing the line before that says the robot was disabled after being incapacitated. My argument is that the referee cannot know that they are truly incapacitated unless they at least make an attempt to move out of the way.
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I appreciate the first argument, and contemplated it while formulating my initial response. I feel that Bluabot did not cause Redabot to cross the line, but rather placed it in a situation where it was forced with the choice of crossing the line or remaining immobile.... or having an alliance partner assist in moving Bluabot. In no case, however, did Bluabot
cause Redabot to incur a G22 penalty.
The second argument, I agree, bears perhaps a bit more weight in that the definition of "incapacitated" and who makes the determination of incapacitated is not specific. It does not, however, require a referee to make the decision that a robot is incapacitated. Rather it infers that the decision is up to the team by stating that the disablement must come through the pushing of the E-Stop in the player station. Secondly, when it states "robots that are disabled in this manner", I believe there is room to argue that "in this manner" refers simply to the pushing of the E-Stop button.
I always figure it is a good YMTC when experienced FIRSTers can interpret the same situation in different ways. I see your points and would... if I were in Redabot's shoes, put forward the same ones.
Jason