[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by EricH

There are FIRST competitions where the students are supposed to do most/all of the work. Those are FTC and FLL. The mentor involvement is what sets FRC apart.(...) If you want pure student-built, limited mentor, go with FTC (...)

Sorry, Eric, but this is an entirely erroneous characterization of FTC. There is no difference between FRC and FTC in the role of mentors. Only in FLL (and JFLL? -- I actually don't know) do coaches agree not to touch the robots.