[Mr.Rush]

Well Al you're wrong the cleats as you have dubbed them are hardened rubber, The vandoor motors powered a set of arms not the drive train. You are making too many assumptions. It was powered by a pair of dewalt drills. Feel free to toss as many self important titles as you want around but quite frankly you can take you high horse and shove it.
I am more than aware that things change (the removal of the mini bike motor from the kit of parts as an example). I also under stand that the current changes based on load. And once again we point out that the discussed drive trains aren't necessarily intended for FIRST competition use. Aspects of them might be used if permitted, but if I understand void's goals this thread was meant to gather knowledge , no finalize any design.