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Re: Dedicated Empty Cell Handler?

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Originally Posted by Killraine View Post
Nope, any balls that we are collecting from the floor will be delivered to our human players, so there is no need to have a separate empty cell handler.
Killraine, I'm not picking on you, just using your post as the first example I saw to illustrate my logic below.

Early on in our design process we ruled out a typical conveyor type ball harvester because it is indiscriminant and we felt it could be more of a liability than an asset. (Well that was one of the reasons anyway.) We were worried that the color difference between the Moon Rocks and Empty Cells was hard to see and the Empty Cells on the floor would effectively become “land mines” after the first one was harvested. Suck up one and you are ok but suck up a second one and bang 10-point penalty. I am seeing a lot of conveyor type ball harvesters but I am just not understanding how teams are going to separate the Moon Rocks from the Empty Cells within their robots and then once they have one Empty Cell in their robot how are they going to make sure they don’t suck up another one. It was clarified in one of the early team updates that an opposing alliance can’t throw an Empty Cell directly into the open top hopper of an opposing robot to cause a penalty. However, there has been nothing stated that an opposing robot or human player can’t push/shove/throw/etc. an Empty Cell in front of an opposing robot’s floor ball collector and if you suck it up while already possessing one that’s your fault. Once that Empty Cell hits the floor it doesn’t belong to either alliance and is in fair play. I guess I am surprised to see all of the typical ball collector conveyor systems this year given the existence of Empty Cell “land mines” on the field. I was also expecting more specialized Empty Cell handlers.

How are all of you teams that have nifty conveyor belt type pickup from the floor ball collector thingies planning to avoid <G24-A> penalties?
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