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Originally Posted by PhilBot
OK, I was trying to stress the point that they couldn't even be picked up before the 20 seconds (teams seemed to think it was only a penalty if your threw them befor 20 warning). I wasn't trying to insist that you couldn't actually lay a hand on them (my-bad for not being literal enough  .
However, if you are counting on a referee to make that touch/remove distinction during the heat of the game, I think you are asking for trouble. If a referee sees the PS reach over and place a hand on the cell before the 20 second warning, they "may" jump to the conclusion that it was going to be removed....
If they call the penalty, then you are faced with the problem of convincing them you only touched it, and didn't actually "remove" it. What if you trip, and actually rock the ball in it's holder?.... is it removed or not?..... another jugement call.
Is that split second advantage worth the potential grief, and penalty?
That's a call only you can make, but be ready to defend your actions.
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ok so should a penalty be called if the ref said the human player touched it?
i see your point why bother but, in the case the a HP does touch it the refs need to know it's not a penalty
if the refs can't do tell the different the rule should be changed