View Single Post
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 11-05-2009, 11:42
Chris is me's Avatar
Chris is me Chris is me is offline
no bag, vex only, final destination
AKA: Pinecone
FRC #0228 (GUS Robotics); FRC #2170 (Titanium Tomahawks)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Glastonbury, CT
Posts: 7,630
Chris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond reputeChris is me has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Chris is me
Re: Offseason Rule Change Recommendations?

About RP: I think it's a really awesome system for offensive teams and offensive games. If you have a stacked qualifier and win your matches, you deserve the first seed.

The problem arises in that it becomes unproductive to play defense. There were some standout defensive teams this year with powerful drive systems that could hold anyone down, but winning matches by plyaing defense would keep your RP low.

My initial thought would me to make RP the difference between the winning score and the losing score, with a low RP desired, but then rather than rewarding the best teams you reward teams that played similar caliber alliances.

Still, RP is the best we got. Sorry defense, that's what the second pick is for

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Ketron View Post
If GP is the highest standard that FIRST goes by then FIRST should uphold teams to that standard. At a competition, you can tell if a team is throwing a match and if so disqualify them from eliminations based on not following GP. I believe a couple years ago FIRST disqualified the championship winning team because they were not using gracious professionalism. Do the same for FRC.
The problem is, how do you define gracious professionalism? I've heard people say that playing defense on high scorers is un-GP, and I've heard people say throwing matches so your companion team can be in the top 8 is. You can't just say "that's not graciously professional" and call it at that.

Besides, I challenge you to find one team on Einstien that's not full of gracious professionals. (For your own sake don't post if you actually believe a team on the field was un-GP, we don't want internet drama)

Quote:
Even with 12 matches 67 selected 217 at both the districts they attended and were clearly the winners of every match. Don't you think it would have been more exciting to have those teams select other alliance partners and compete. Think about it, How fun is it when you are the #8 and you get the 8th/9th pick but you compete against the #1/2/24 pick. I think I have a better chance going against only one top team than competing against the two best teams.
I think you're missing the "tition" part of coopertition. Games are designed to be competitive, and one of the rewards for being the first place team is being able to pick your favorite partner. The Top 8 is stacked against the 8th seed, and that's completely intentional; what people forget is taht the first seed EARNED their spot. To the victor go the spoils.

Also, in serpentine 8th seed with 8th and 9th pick can be very deadly, since you get to pick exactly the two partners that work the most well together. While you're picking your first one you have your second pick waiting, so you can pick teams that complement each other.

And many times, there are gems in the rough. If we were 8th seed in newton, we would have our third and fourth choice as alliance partners.
__________________
Mentor / Drive Coach: 228 (2016-?)
...2016 Waterbury SFs (with 3314, 3719), RIDE #2 Seed / Winners (with 1058, 6153), Carver QFs (with 503, 359, 4607)
Mentor / Consultant Person: 2170 (2017-?)
---
College Mentor: 2791 (2010-2015)
...2015 TVR Motorola Quality, FLR GM Industrial Design
...2014 FLR Motorola Quality / SFs (with 341, 4930)
...2013 BAE Motorola Quality, WPI Regional #1 Seed / Delphi Excellence in Engineering / Finalists (with 20, 3182)
...2012 BAE Imagery / Finalists (with 1519, 885), CT Xerox Creativity / SFs (with 2168, 118)
Student: 1714 (2009) - 2009 Minnesota 10,000 Lakes Regional Winners (with 2826, 2470)
2791 Build Season Photo Gallery - Look here for mechanism photos My Robotics Blog (Updated April 11 2014)

Last edited by Chris is me : 11-05-2009 at 12:09.
Reply With Quote