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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber
Making an analogy to the nonFRC world, should a singer who had a hit 20 years ago still be considered a modern sensation?
20 years from now they shouldnt be able to say, "I won that award back in 2004 and I'm going to Championships based on that" Perhaps FIRST could have HoF teams reevaluated every 10 years or so and decide their HoF status
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I disagree with this... Elvis is still "the king" Michael Jackson is still "the king of pop", along with many many other greats that will be remembered for a very long time... despite the fact that perhaps at the ends of their careers and lives they werent the same people they were when they were at the height of their popularity. Its the idea that at that time, they did something revolutionary and affected SO many people, that they deserve our praise, and that people still worship them long after they died. Take art as an example, 90% of painters dont become famous until they are dead... long after their "useful period" has expired. Yet do we say that Michaelangelo doesnt deserve the fame anymore?
I dont see any team that wins at the championship level just sitting back and riding their way to championships... even 20 years from now. Every one of them worked to get where they are because of their ideals, not because of the award or the ride to championships.
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Originally Posted by Dave Flowerday
Personally (not speaking for my team), I'd rather not compete for the CA again and instead see someone else win it.
If our team ever re-won the CA, I know we'd be excited. But I think that, honestly, a team who never won it before would be more excited and more inspired, and I'd rather see that. It's just human nature that the first time you reach a milestone it's much sweeter.
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Bingo & Bingo!! I remember our Rookie year, when 1511 won RAS, and we realized that we were still going to regionals, and might be taking the joy and amazement (and championship qualification) away from another rookie team, we immediately wrote a letter to the judges asking them not to consider us for RAS. It wouldnt have been as sweet, and it was definitely more amazing to watch the other teams win, knowing they could now join us down at championships. We did the same thing with the Engineering Inspiration award our second year. I have to imagine CCA is better on a much grander scale.
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Originally Posted by EricH
What if a HoF team who opted to submit for an RCA used it to plug another deserving team that was submitting at the same event?
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Personally... this makes me shudder... nearly uncontrollably... while the intention is good, I can see it becoming a political mess for the judges to sort out... which team has the most friend teams... Ugh.
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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz
We should be helping teams become HOF teams instead of competing with them. We need to let teams know that this is an achievable goal and not be part of the competition.
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I love everything you said in your post Al... Not because it makes the pool easier, but its so much more noble for a HoF team to be helping the teams around it rise to its level, rather than going up to bat against them. If I didnt know so many of the HoF teams, I would be worried that things like the championship "creating a chairmas submission" type conferences would go away, because everyone would be striving to compete again.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber
I would like to bring up a perspective that I found very interesting;
Whether or not this new rules change will impact this sort of thinking I can't tell you.
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I have to wonder if you are right... all the HoF teams I know are so amazing, and amazingly nearly every HoF team has been able to instill that attidude throughout the team. Sure each new kid doesnt know what its like to run down to the stage and receive the trophy, but they are now expected to act like they did, they must live up to that greatness, up to that level, and make their teams just as proud. Thats a big weight to carry, but a whole level that didnt seem to be considered in this new rule...
Thinking through all this, I really hope that all the CCA teams choose not to submit (to prove a point), or even better, choose to submit to give their kids the opportunity to present, but at the end of their presentation, ask only for feedback, ask NOT to be considered for the trophy... Not to say they would have to follow this, but I personally dont want my ideal picture of all of these amazing teams to change... I dont want to compare them to the new CCA competition... I want them to be the great teams I remember the years they won.