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Originally Posted by Captain Fink
well lets say you block another robots shot and you have it roll of the front of you robot, there is nothing holding it there and at no point do you "really" have control of the ball, you are just getting it off your robot so you dont get a penalty. why not have it facilitated
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Because you're controlling the direction. That's why you can't funnel them.
Let's first define these terms according to the manual:
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CARRYING: POSSESSING a BALL that is not in contact with the FIELD.
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POSSESSION: Controlling the position and movement of a BALL. A BALL shall be considered in POSSESSION if, as the ROBOT moves or changes orientation (e.g. backs up or spins in place), the BALL remains in approximately the same position relative to the ROBOT.
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So, let us say that you have a funnel on the top of your robot. By some chance, a ball lands in it and starts rolling. If you are moving, the refs are almost certain to give a penalty, especially if you do it often. If you are stationary, it's an open question--I'd give it a 50-50 of your getting called, depending on the exact ref crew and how often you do it.
Reason: You are controlling the movement of a ball that is on top of you. That isn't quite enough to get the penalty, in and of itself. However, if you're moving, the ball is moving with you (penalty) and if you're stationary, it depends whether the refs think you're also controlling the position. If you simply had a dome or a slope, you'd probably be OK. (Note: Not an official opinion. Use of this opinion to get out of a penalty will do absolutely nothing. Other uses of this opinion may or may not do anything either.)
On the topic of "heading" a ball, I think that there are probably legal ways to do it. I also think that they will be hard to find and have declared officially legal.
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