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Originally Posted by delsaner
People have different opinions, you cannot deny that, but I completely understand and agree with your statement. I mean, it is nice to win but that is not at all the main concern, in my point of view. It is all about the experience, and learning different things that can have an impact on technology later on in life.
This is my first year on the CAD team, coming from knowing nothing about Autodesk the year before, to feeling like I know so much. Actually looking back, I cannot believe how much I have learned in such a short period of time. When I work with Inventor, I feel like this is a skill that can help me later in life; I feel myself solving problems that could have meant severe results if not double-checked or if the problems were ignored.
As for helping people see what FIRST is truly about, I am not sure it is something that can be solved. It is difficult to tell someone who thinks they have the right idea that their idea is wrong. If I think of any ways that could help, I will get back to you (I will probably post again of this thread).
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I agree, everyone will have their own view as to what FIRST is, and what it's purpose is. CAD is truly something that can be an amazing help in the design process. I find myself making mistake all the time, it really helps me. And to learn it in such a short time period is amazing.
I'm going to have to agree. It is most likely something that can not be solved, for the very reason you stated. No one thinks the same. But it's for this very reason that two heads are better than one.
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Originally Posted by XaulZan11
While your intent is certainly good, I would be pretty upset and embarrassed if I were your head coach right now. I'm not sure apologizing to us is the correct action.
FIRST's main goal is not really about learning. As FIRST stands for it is about Inspiration and Recognition not teaching/learning. I believe Dean made this point at kickoff, saying that teaching should stay in the classrooms and schools.
Given the main goal of FIRST is to inspire, then as long as the students are inspired, I don't think there is any problems with mentors building the entire robot to win. Obviously, I would not choose to run a team this way, but I think it is a valid approach. I think each team needs to decide on what is the best way to maximize inspiration. Is it a mentor built robot, a 100% student built or a partnership?
I do think the "how do we get people to view the true mission of FIRST" conversation is a very good one.
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you are correct. But I could think of no other way to get my point across. But are we not warned to be careful what we say? (I don't mean to sound cruel, but I have learned to always watch what I say.)
I agree. Teaching should stay in the classrooms. But
learning should not. I will never stop learning. Are you trying to tell me that if I am to learn I should stay in a classroom all my life?
And while everyone has there own way of inspiring their students. What if there way of doing is not inspiring at all? Because I know for sure that I am not inspired by them. I am inspired instead by the thought of what I learn here, will follow me the rest of my life. But it dwindles more and more every time I hear a mentor say "Well that wont work. And here is why. (yay! A chance to learn!
) Now, you can do what I say. Or you can fail(Well now that's just rude... I don't think you are really helping me out here...)"
And when you say "I do think the "how do we get people to view the true mission of FIRST" conversation is a very good one." I am trying to figure out if you forgot the "not" in there somewhere. No offense.
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Originally Posted by sanddrag
What I'd do is after the season, create a team project that has no competitive aspect. Such as building a go-kart, or robotic lawnmower.
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I would love to do that!
Except our mentors are to worn out to do anything over the summer... Though I may still try and see if I can get something going this year... Thanks for the tip.
-Rion