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Originally Posted by Lostmage333
What defines "scored for the opposition"? Redbot kicked a ball, which touched bluebot, and went into the red goal. Who scored? Red who kicked, or blue who touched it last?
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I would think that just the presence of the rule would be enough to dispel most teams from following the practice. How much intentional tipping did you see at events this past weekend?
Keep it simple - kick originated from red and entered blue's goal - IF DETECTED by the person assigned to catch it, it doesn't count, regardless of how it got there.
Most intentional scoring attempts from the opposition should be direct, obvious, and easily detectable by the volunteer(s) responsible for tracking them. Discount those. Accidental "deflection" scores and such will not be as obvious and are less likely to be caught. No big deal.
Much like refs sometimes fail to catch penalties, I'm sure some opposing scores would be missed. But the obvious ones should always be caught, and that's the main goal.
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How do you tell who "scored"? The scoring system is automated. It eliminates the need for scorers. But wait, now we need people to not only count the goals, but also tell the system which ones are "legitimate"?
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Deduct at the end of the game. Have existing refs or additional volunteers keep track. It's not like it's going to be a rampant practice if the rule is placed in effect.
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How do you enforce DOGMA penalties now? Must the balls still be put into play in the same timely manner? In that case, scoring for your opponents becomes a means of giving them penalties exclusively? But wait, you cannot cause a penalty. If they don't need to be returned, how do you tell the HP they can take their time with that ball.
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No changes to any other rules. HP's return all balls as usual.
One would think any attempts to overwhelm an opponents' HP's would be rather obvious, wreckless, and pointless. This is a non-issue.
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So if you really want to fix the problem, I find it more logical to go after its root, and not just patch its branches.
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I'm sure many will "go after" the root cause in the offseason. This is an attempt to discuss meaningful ways to address rising concerns THIS season.