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Originally Posted by Lostmage333
The problem with that is that people don't like ambiguous rules. Leave it ambiguous, and you'll get complaints that its not well stated. If you want to put a rule like this, I would think you need to define it clearly.
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I didn't want to go here, but...would the following provide clear enough a message?
<G3.14159> TEAMS are not permitted to intentionally score in the opposing ALLIANCE's goals.
Violation: PENALTY and YELLOW CARD.
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The intent behind the automated scoring system is that it is exactly that. Automated. FIRST is trying to remove human scoring for this, because that is inherently flawed. Granted, the automated scoring isn't flawless (at least it's better than 08 lap counters), but introducing volunteers to count the scores adds additional complexity.
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It's a penalizable offense now. Scoring will be conducted in an automated fashion as usual. The referee will penalize one point per infraction, with a yellow card. Do you think teams will bother attempting the practice with such a stiff penalty in place? Most teams don't want to do it anyway. They do it merely as an incentivized reaction to a loophole/quirk in the ranking/seeding rules. Close the loophole, and the incentive is removed.
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I see it this way. If your robot has a roller that sometimes pulls the balls under the robot, incurring G46 penalties, how would you fix it? Would you try to adjust the placement of weight on your robot to fix it, or fix the roller itself? This scoring for your opponents concept is nothing new. Its a new reincarnation of old concepts. This new reincarnation is more powerful, and probably more widespread, but even if it is a bad concept (which I don't think it is), FIRST is no more likely to ban scoring on yourself than they are to change the ranking system.
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Then shame on them for furthering all the frustrations and contradictory dilemmas propagating forth at events and in these myriad of CD threads.
If those responsible for permitting these behaviors will not act, it is up to the community to raise awareness and police themselves. It's already turned into a political process for certain teams lobbying for these collusive and opponent score padding strategies. If the majority is against the practice, then TURN THE POLITICAL PRESSURE AROUND. Distribute flyers within the pits on Thursday that both inform teams about the new ranking/seeding system (apparently a MUCH NEEDED practice) and state the larger, ideal-impacting arguments against scoring for the opposition, strategic advantage be darned.
Ask teams to unite against such practices, and don't let savvier teams manipulate less aware teams into engaging in these strategies. Kill off the "buzz" for scoring for an opponent at an event before it even gets off the ground.
Remember, just because something is permissible doesn't mean it should always be done. You do NOT have to "game the system", as someone put it. A few still will, but they are probably the teams who would seed high anyway even if they didn't resort to scoring for the opponents - they just elect to leverage every advantage they can because the rules permitted them to do so.