
15-03-2010, 22:16
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FTC 3507 Robo Theosis -- FRC 3135
AKA: Dick Ledford
 FRC #3135 (Robotic Colonels)
Team Role: Mentor
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Posts: 286
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Re: Team 39 building 469 stopper solution (Available in Las Vegas)
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
So, we've seen one robot execute this strategy successfully at one event (and mostly in the eliminations) and you're ready to call it un-surmountable? You've got to be kidding.
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I've only said what most of their scores (and videos) indicate - that it is a game exploit which is extremely hard to counter. Granted they must get into position before it can happen, and this is not a given for every match. However, once in position the match gets VERY BORING.
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Let's not ignore the fact that 469 is far from the only team with a robot designed to deflect and/or redirect balls we've seen compete (1024, 79, 375, etc.). Just nobody else did it nearly as well and it resulted in them often pursuing other roles in the alliance.
Let's also not ignore that 469 was beaten in qualifications and was kept out of the tunnel more than once.
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I am not suggesting they, or other teams using this concept, are always unbeatable. I only suggest that this looping strategy game exploit scheme is detrimental to the overall level of competition and entertainment of the game.
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Let's also not ignore that there are many of the top strategists in FIRST devising plans on how to stop (or at least mitigate) 469 and similar bots.
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Yes, and mostly just the elite teams will be capable of implementing whatever they devise as a counter measure.
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Let's also not ignore that 469 will likely not be alone by the end of the season. I know of at least two other bots yet to play with very similar strategies, but who knows how successful each of them will be. I'm betting that one or two more bots emerge in a similar class to 469.
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Great - more boring matches where weaker bots and alliances will have little or no chance of competing at all.
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
In short, stop overreacting. Las Guerillas made an outstanding machine and deserve the success they have. But the season is far from over.
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I have given them their props for execution of design. We spent considerable time brainstorming the exact same scheme before we abandoned it. It is not them that is the problem - it's the hole in the rules that allows them uncontested access to the critical high ball return zone. All bots should have same level of acces to these two critical zones.
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
And flat out lying about it boring the crowd certainly did not help your case.
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I never said any specific crowd was bored - only that an UNCOMPETITIVE MATCH GETS BORING!
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