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Originally Posted by kylelanman
ARENA as it is defined in the rules.
The ARENA includes all elements of the game infrastructure that are required to play Breakaway: the FIELD, the ALLIANCE STATIONS, the GOALS, the BALLS, and all supporting communications, arena control, and scorekeeping equipment.
The only rule I see regarding ARENA faults.
<T18> If, in the judgment of the Head Referee, an “ARENA fault” occurs that affects either the play or the outcome of the MATCH, the MATCH will be replayed. Example ARENA faults include broken field elements, power failure to a portion of the field, improper activation of the field control system, errors by field personnel, etc.
A common response that I have heard is "After reviewing the log of the entire match nothing seems out the ordinary so the match will not be replayed". How is 1 to 4 robots loosing coms not something wrong? Something is clearly wrong. Thousands of fans can tell with out looking at a log that something went wrong.
Outside of FIRST when someone has an IT related problem and it can not be identified from the log we don't tell the person(s) they are out of luck and we aren't going to help them. The IT department looks into the problem and rectifies the situation as soon as possible.
The least they could do is have a professional on site at each regional to inspect the robot after the match back in the pit and help figure out what is wrong. How can a bunch of high-schoolers be expected to find the problem when the inspectors at the event can't. From the looks and sounds of it the only reason that help is not offered is that no one actually knows what causes all the comm problems.
If FIRST can not help us troubleshoot the mysterious comm problems that never happen at the shop but randomly happen on the field then teams should be given the benefit of the doubt and the match should be replayed when they occurr.
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Goood point...bad logic. Often it is infact the fault of the Team, and an issue with the Robot. ex) We lost a match because when we went over a bump, one of our power cables (only for a split second) would come loose, causing our cRio to re-boot. After 30 mins of testing, we figured it out. At a glance, and even in depth, it appears to be an FMS problem, when in actuality, it isnt.
Another common problem is voltage drops. if hte voltage of your robot drops below 10, ther is a chance your wireless link will reboot itself.....causing comm issues.;
The FMS log will show al this.
The ONLY time in teh two regionals that I saw an Arena Fault (we decided it wasnt worth it to call it, and have teh match redone) was when Autonomous mode started, and 2 seconds later, thye game was disabled, only to become re-started at the START of autonomous mode again. This caused problems with teams' autonomous mode, as they had already driven a little before the second auto mode begining (causing them to miuss baslls due to improper spacing).