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Originally Posted by Edoc'sil
I cannot begin to explain how much mentors building the bot disgusts me. This competition is about the students, not about the robots. The amount of knowledge that is imparted by students building and designing the robot is immense, and every time that a mentor helps with the bot is an opportunity to learn lost.
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I'll say it again... some of the most incredible learning opportunities come from mentors and students working side by side.
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Originally Posted by Edoc'sil
I see the value of the 50/50 argument, but I believe that in reality it leans more towards 60/40, 70/30 in reality with the students doing less and less work with the mentors solving the problems when the kids get stuck on a problem.
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What exactly are you basing this belief on? Have you spent a lot of time on other teams? Come by the 148 pit and our students can tell you about their experiences.
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Originally Posted by Edoc'sil
Well I've be rude, watch the flame wars begin.
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Why would anyone flame you?
I don't care one iota how you run your team. The only thing I don't like is when people talk about how "disgusted" they are about how I run mine. Your disgust stems from ignorance, imho.
I summarized your post in my head as "You're wrong, I'm right, and I don't believe your teams work like you say they do." That doesn't make me angry, just sad.
If you genuinely want to learn about how this stuff works for us, come by the 148 pit (or the 217 pit, or the 1114 pit, etc, etc) and talk to the students. If you don't care to learn, your ignorance isn't really hurting me any.
I'm really sick of my students hearing how disgusted some people are with our team's model and that they "don't do anything" and they should be ashamed that mentors work with them on the robot. It is getting very, very old.
-John
PS - I've yet to see a member of a 50/50 team come on Chief Delphi and talk about how disgusted they are with the all student built robot. Live and let live? No?