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Originally Posted by XaulZan11
I agree that at the time it is difficult to determine intent. But when their driver says "i went back and hit them again to make sure they would stay in" I think the intent is clear.
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Originally Posted by thefro526
And, a large portion of this debate stems from a post that was subsequently deleted, stating that the intend was to shove 1501 into the goal and have them stay there.
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Speaking as a member of Team 230 a partner of Team 1501 in that alliance, I must agree that if it was completely legal they would not tell you you would get a red card next time. In particular it was indicated that the only reason you did not get it initially was because they did not see you do it. This was very much not GP, it made me sad to read the subsequently-deleted post stating that your driver was proud of doing it.
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Originally Posted by shortone1320
being with gaelforce...one of their alliance partners...
-it was good defense, you gotta give them that(slightly biased i know lol )
-they did threaten a red card(i do recall hearing)
-and you have to remember it is a new england regional... these regionals are known to be aggressive and destructive...last year we were the victum of some aggression when our robot was drilled in the front destroying our front wooden bumper and bottom two rollers. nothing was given for that. but we all knew it was new england where defense is everything. the only reason we won the ct regional last year was because of defense(thank you 1902  ) the teams in new england all build very durable robots for this reason.
i do believe their will be a change in rulings because of it though, i dont think the GDC thought teams would build such a small and light robot to be able to get pushed in the goal |
I also hope that GDC clarifies their position on this, the rules should not change in New England because some of the teams are so big on defense.
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Originally Posted by Chris_Elston
... We faked Rosie out several times in the SEMI 1 by traversing the tunnel and playing possum in SEMI 2 which seemed to work, so not all was lost, much needed driver experience was learned from Rosie and how to deal with driving under much pressure.
Our lesson is to learn by these experiences and move on. The most poetic thing was we had a ball in the front when we went into the goal, which was the tie game ball 6-6. Ball first, then robot next.
The triangle design was mostly contributed by the kiwi and 3-wheel drive system along if a robot was pushing us bumper to bumper we would be angled at the goal to make a clear shot anyway. We never thought about fitting into the goal. Small in foot print was by design as we noted Brazil's robot was the best scoring robot at CT we felt and deserved the Gold along with Uberbots. We clearly as a team felt good to be in the finals and wanted to go to Atlanta, put up a great fight with the best team we have ever worked with to date, Gaelhawks 230 and John Niski (230 coach) you are one amazing dude. I appreciated your willingness to work together and you have one heck of a team, we will never forget you. We are certainly honored to meet you and your team. Thanks for the great New England experience.
So before this thread gets too out of hand, there is no reason for anyone to analyze if Rosie did right or wrong, or if we are upset or not because I have written to tell you where we stand.
My students follow and learn from experiences this is how I lead them always in positive ways. They learn by losing, they learn by bad luck, they learn by improving, they learn the dumb FRC rules we all learn to not like, they learn how to cope with defeat, and learn how to overcome. These are all the things this 2010 season has brought us. These experiences can not be learned unless examples like these are set.
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I also agree with Chris here... and thank him for pointing out that in real life things are not always fair and we all need to teach our students to deal with those situations. There are many, many lessons to be learned in FIRST... often times they are beyond the technical aspects of the competition.
It was great meeting you and working with your team. (I personally noticed and LOVED the fake outs that had the defense confused.
) We were a great alliance - unfortunately just not quite good enough in the end to get you that blue banner.
We hope to see you in CT again... maybe next year???