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Originally Posted by FRC4ME
What concerns me about many of the veteran frameworks going around is that they take a "black box" strategy; rather than showing rookies how to do it, they try to remove the need for a rookie to learn how to do it.
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If that is the case, then I completely understand your reservations. In fact, I share them.
There is a clear difference between what I am talking about with regards to the original Kit of Parts (which is what I thought the OP was originally talking about), and Rookies using intense frameworks put out by Vets.
If the OP was talking about veteran teams putting out those frameworks, then I apologize. I personally feel as though that's along the lines of cheating, unless someone takes the time to go through and understand the framework given. Actually, if a rookie coder is able to go through and understand a framework it could very well help them along in their learning process, causing them to ask more questions, and find more answers.
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Originally Posted by sircedric4
What if the team has no one with any programming experience? What if they don't know what a do loop or an if-then statement is? What if they have no idea what an API is, or if they don't understand what a object oriented programming structure means?
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In this case, I would completely understand the use of a framework. This is one of those subjects where it is difficult to come to a definite conclusion. There is a fine line between a resource allowing someone to compete, and being "too helpful" and staunching the learning process.
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Also, to your question OP, I would define it as such: If you can consider a team sustainable from year to year, it is a veteran.