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Unread 09-01-2011, 04:10
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Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by BBnum3 View Post
Where are you getting this from? Section 5.3.3 states that seeding will be based on Qualification Score, which has returned to its previous state of 2 points per win, 1 per tie, 0 per loss. So there's still the incentive to win your qualification matches, and therefore an incentive to play defense.

If two alliances are balanced offensively, some good, smart defense would be prudent to slow the other side down just enough to pull out a victory. Denial and delay of game piece acquisition is where I'd begin.

Keep in mind though that the ranking score for the winning alliance is based on the losing alliance's unpenalized score, and the ranking score is the first tiebreaker in determining final team seeding, so it still behooves the winning alliance to permit some scoring by the opposition.

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Originally Posted by marwahaha View Post
I enjoyed how FIRST worked out the kinks of scoring and "coopertition" this year. Take a look at pp65-67, it's pretty cool, as winning is most important. Then close, high-scoring games are preferable to low-scoring games or blowouts for tiebreaking scores. They also wanted to avoid the winning alliance helping the losing alliance to boost tiebreaking scores: As a result, a heavily weighted endgame makes the winner indeterminate until it's too late to help your opponent. I think this endgame change was one of many to prevent the 6vs0 games of last season.

FIRST is trying to unify spirit by integrating programs; I think we will be seeing more cross-overs in the future. This is the reason for the stress on "FIRST Team ----" during Kickoff. To them, it is less important to be a FRC robotics team than be a FIRST robotics team, the true organization behind it all. Yes, it is politics, but it's uniting all the different FIRST spirits (FRC, FTC, etc.) into one big giant community all excited about FIRST. Not only is the FTC kit involved, but the FLL line-tracking is present. By uniting the spirit into one group, the organization can get better recognition from the public and from the government and the media...
Which in turn may increase corporate sponsors, willing to donate to local teams or nationally, and more recruitment from younger schools, helping FIRST grow.
200 's. All hail the glorious annihilation of the 2010 scoring system and the various goofball strategies it spawned.

I, too like bringing the different levels closer together. In fact, there's an FLL team in Canton our NEOFRA FRC teams helped kick off who developed some nice line following algorithms this year. And there's an FTC team at our local vocational school who could be instrumental in assisting all the local NEOFRA teams in minibot development. I think I'll be checking in with both of them soon.
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