[EricH]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Nuh uh. They need a logo on the top row with an autotube, if you have a minibot.

Remember all the "defense + lifter" bots in 07? Yeah.

They've got plenty of time to get that, if they got the Ubertube (no defense is allowed in automode) and managed to bust one or two through while you were playing D. Now you go to deploy a minibot, and they grab the last tube for the logo and slam it into place. Your defense just lost the match, unless you can get away from the tower before they're in the zone.

Not counting the other 4 robots on the field, of course.

IIRC, none of the robots on Einstein in 07 was a defense and lifter. Every last one of them (at least in 3/4 of the alliances--my memory is shaky on the last one) had tube placement capability and used it at least once. All of the robots I remember there were either tube/defense or a full hybrid (tube, ramp, defense). I also remember a defense/ramp being scored against autonomously by a dead-reckoning program run by a full hybrid, though not on Einstein.