Image Discuss: TechnoKat Robot 2003

[f22flyboy]

Our bot (and some others) could get up enough speed on the ramp to jump over those wings. I don't know how well the landing would go though

[Joe3]

Yea, this was essentially what I was trying to lead you guys to. I was there las year, when MOE valiently attempted to hold his ground for 1:55 every match. This worked very well in the QP rounds, however, whenever we faced two good robots with a good about of torgue in the elims, our wings gave out on us. We had the file cards, like beaty, and we lifted up the goals for added traction to attach ourselves to the carpet. These worked very well, but when you make yourself that rigid, all the force is on that wing, and you will bend. Thats just my $.02

[Spikey]

Bah, our robot has so much tourqe this year, two bots pushing it will make it slide, or both bots on one arm will cause it to rotate. Or in our case we just go under the bar and ruin your bins

[Dan-o]

Either Way, I hope your strategy works for you and I look forward to meeting you guys at Nationals. Good Luck.

[Mike Soukup]

Another great bot by the Technocats (it's spelled with a 'c' right? ). We should have a great time battling with you at the top of the ramp at the Midwest Regional.

Please try to keep this thread on topic. If you want to talk about how powerful your robot is, start a new thread. This thread is about the Technokats robot.

Mike

[Dima]

(hey mike!)

I just hope you don't have what i think you have at the ends of those arms! (don't want to mention IT just quite yet, cause if IT 's not what i think it is, you could put IT there quite easyly and then EVERY ONE is screwed)


Looks good!


P.S. if you think i can't back my words up, i care not!

[Nicholas W]

If you could cause the technokats robot to turn would it contact both sides of the ramp then violate the rules? I can't tell from the picture if that would happen. I'm willing to bet an experinced team like the kats would have thought of this allready. just somthing that poped into my head as I rwas reading the thread. Also to move the robot spin the bot have one team limbo the bar and come up behind them pushing from the back right and the second team pushes on the front left.

Nick

[Gope]

I'm hearing lots of things fly around this thread.

Frictionless pad - just so you know, there are several wheels available for purchase that give MUCH more traction of the HDPE than the carpet of mesh, and that traction is very nice

Spinging a KOH bot - that'ld be hard, especialy when ur talking about veteran teams like the KATS

Two v One pushing matches - look at beaty from last year, i remember one time when they had Kingman(undoubtedly the 2nd strongest pusher at nationals) and another team pushing full force against them, and beaty kept on moving basicly unfaised

I've noticed people saying that you could life the KATS arms - that asumes several things, proper positioning of both robots to be one, I really doubt the KATS r just gona sit there and let u pick their arms up without a fight

Suction Cups slide - maybe you haven't been informed, but there are some suction cups out there that are completly immovable, as far as you know the KATS have one on each arm





Alot of times I see people who underestimate other teams and over estimate their own(I've seen this on my team ALOT) because they feel that they've spent so much time on their robot and it just isn't easy to think that you put so much time into something and someone else could be better. I think that this is what is happeneing to alot of people regarding the KATS. They are a veteran team with all sorts of tricks, so just sit back, relax, and keep an eye out on their regional showings.

[sevisehda]

I'm not sure how many teams actually do tests to figure the COF on different surfaces but I can give you some rough figures. On carpet some wheels have a COF of >1.5. I haven't tested or scene anything about the mesh but I think thats more dependent on tread than material. The HDPE is the most surprising, for some reason people think its this SUPER SLIPPERY surface when in fact its NOT. There are some materials that have a COF of >3.0 on it. Yes that was >3.0. So if the Kats or anyone else uses that stuff there not gonna move easily. If you doubt those numbers feel free to IM me.

It may just be an illusion but in the pics theres a small shadow under the central treads. It could be possible that they don't just drop there barriers but use them as jacks in order to give them a greater moment.

[EvilInside]

Originally posted by M. Krass
You've never even seen it move.

Well, the thing is, I don't need to see it move. I don't need to know how much traction it has, how good the drivers are, etc. You see, I have another WAY. An IDEA. Now, I ask, is it better to

a) Start using the pictures online to get an idea of what is going to go on, make some base strategies, and then refine them when you see the robots in action

or

b) Go into the competition completely blind and trying to formulate strategies on the fly, not having anything prepared at all

You see, with a little thought and some planning, strategizing now can help in the long run. And, is it hurting anyone?

[Clark Gilbert]

Originally posted by Joe3
How easliy does the foam compress, and what else do you have on the front of the wing?

The foam is really solid. if you took that arm and hit a person with it, it's similar to hitting them with a bat.

You can see a little chunk it of (the blue stuff) under the grinder and drill press.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/pics/bin/...38dscf1803.jpg

Originally posted by EvilInside
Well, the thing is, I don't need to see it move. I don't need to know how much traction it has, how good the drivers are, etc. You see, I have another WAY. An IDEA. Now, I ask, is it better to

a) Start using the pictures online to get an idea of what is going to go on, make some base strategies, and then refine them when you see the robots in action

or

b) Go into the competition completely blind and trying to formulate strategies on the fly, not having anything prepared at all

You see, with a little thought and some planning, strategizing now can help in the long run. And, is it hurting anyone?

Ive been doing strategy for a couple of years and the one thing I have learned is that pictures can be deceiving. Im not saying ours is or isn't, but whats going to happen when you develop strategies from pictures you have seen? Maybe a team has a secret weapon that they haven't unveiled or are not telling you about, maybe the robot is too strong, fast or agile for your strategy. I remember at the Great Lakes Regional in 2000, the strategy team prepared this strategy against the mighty Chief Delphi bot in the finals. It was working until they went over to our goal and stole many of our balls out of the basket. Nobody knew that they could even do that, never the less do it in the little amount of time it took for them to steal and score. The whole arena went into shock and there was a large gasp of fear. Basically what Im trying to say, until you see a robot run in person, strategies will do jack for you. All pictures can do is give an idea about what they supposedly can do. Just hang on to your pants buddy, regional time is near.

[Joe Matt]

I'm part of stratage too Fluck, but the problem isn't you totaly trusting another team's pics, but going into a competition blindly not having a prep. Even if they have a secret weapon, you still know about 50% of what the bot can do. That's more than seeing it at the regional for the first time and having to do create a stratage based on little or no info.

Originally posted by JosephM
I'm part of stratage too Fluck, but the problem isn't you totaly trusting another team's pics, but going into a competition blindly not having a prep. Even if they have a secret weapon, you still know about 50% of what the bot can do. That's more than seeing it at the regional for the first time and having to do create a stratage based on little or no info.

Typical...you missed the point.

You can't make strategies by pictures alone, like I said in the previous post, the pictures are a basis, but they can't be used for main strategy. Strategy is a complex thing, you have to rely mostly on accurate scouting information and your own viewing opinions over what a picture shows.

A picture tells a thousand words...

yeah right.

[Joe Matt]

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck
Typical...you missed the point.

What do you mean by that....

You can decide on stratagies and other things by pictures. I can tell by your pics what we can do against you. I know it's not 110% accurate, but it's still more than you have anyway.