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i dont think that the east coast is truly its own division in my experiance, the eastcoast, is more like the North East, Mid atlantic, and then the south east, i am not sure how the south east works, but i know that the north east is a VERY competitive reagion, where as, i dont think that the central part of the east coast, is as competitive, but instead are more for spreading FIRST throughout the region. but i cannont speak about the south east area, i have never seen/attended a regional there
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it's funny. alot of the east coast teams i've heard of all have ONE parent company (delphi, GM, ford, whatever)

out here we're all scrambing for money from any company that can spare it, mainly because of the tech downturn.

I don't know whether or not that would lead to more bonding between teams (desperation?) but having lots of money seems like it would make you more competitive.
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As is the problem with most generalizations, they aren't exactly true in all cases. While the West Coast has done a good job of fostering a family atmosphere, I know of some teams that are disliked by other teams on the West Coast. I also know of areas on the East Coast where teams manage to become very close and friendly; I think we do a good job of this in Rochester.

I think a lot of the difference in teams has to do with the distribution of money. There is a lot of resentment from some of the smaller teams (and usually the more rookie teams unfortunately) towards some of the "big money" teams. From my very non-scientific investigation, I'd believe most of the "big money" teams are from the East Coast or Mid-West and there aren't as many from the West Coast.

As a correction, OCCRA is run in the Mid-West (Michigan) not the West Coast) as I believe the original post pointed out. And as far as NASA sponsorship in the North East goes, it is available. The North East (basically, north of Virginia and east of Ohio non-inclusive) is the responsibility of NASA Goddard.

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I have to agree that East Coast is somewhat competitive out of what i see,but i mean everyone has a competitive side, some show it more then others. Its like playing a friendly game of basketball, you first say that you are not gonna keep score you are gonna shoot around and just have fun with it, but when you start playing your competitve side kicks in and you step it up a knotch. I mean i have seen teams from all over with there competivitve side. I think that all this competition is very controlled, i dont see fist fights or anythign and at the end of the day no matter if a team flipped your robot to make you lose a match or a team broke your robot, everyone is still friends. Thats what i like about FIRST it promotes friendly competition. I play hockey and that is a sport that everyone is your enemy except for yoru own team. Thats why i like FIRST i could have a nice competitive competition against teams like 108,267 and then at the end be talking to 108 about networking and goign out to dinner with 267.

About teams that keep the same driver etc etc. They have found something they like and if it helps them win so be it. I mean are team has never kept the same drive, heck are team cant even decide on a team color every year we are a dif color we went from green(2001) to camoflauge(2002) to this year being grey and blue. We tried soemthing in 2002 that we liked and i mean we stuck with it this year for are robot. Sooner or latter the game is gonna require a team to change their drive but if they want to keep their drive fine it gives us another year to learn how/or to beat it.



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If you look at the Northeastern US, there is a high concentration of teams. Within this region, I get the feeling there is much more fraternizing between teams (even if competitive fraternizing) when compared to further down the Eastern Sea
However, not always true of the Northeast. Where we are located, the closest team from ones house is 45+ min. We have team members who tavel long distances to be a member of FIRST. In addition the closest teams (222, 284, Ithaca, and Clarks Summit), are 2+ hours away - in different directions. Probably other rural teams of the eastcoast will also have similar situations, so fraternizing can be done at a distance of each other.


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I do recall seeing drivers of Midwest teams in the past crying at the control station when they lost if that counts for something.
Ohh.. so that's something found throughout FIRST? Geez, and for two years, everyone always laughed/yelled at me because some of us just have too much love for our robots.
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I totally agree that teams on the east coast are more competitive than other teams. Sure, we help each other out a lot, but in our fair corner of VA, in Richmond, our county has supported and wanted FIRST teams. Not only has this increased competitiveness on the field, but off since resources are getting depleted with every new team.
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As a correction, OCCRA is run in the Mid-West (Michigan) not the West Coast) as I believe the original post pointed out.
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Anyone who visits the Rutgers Regional, as my advisor said, will quickly change their mind about the central East of FIRST. We're quite possibly the friendliest people you shall ever meet, and we'll be sure to make everyone feel welcome. For example, a Brazillian team that came to our regional this year- Not only did we help them out when they needed it, but some of our members spent a lunchbreak or two playing soccer with them just to make them feel at home! Some of our members even spent a few nights after the regional hanging out with them.
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All I have to say is, East coast represent!

I wish there was a NY regional... lots of teams in this great state.
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Anyone who visits the Rutgers Regional, as my advisor said, will quickly change their mind about the central East of FIRST. We're quite possibly the friendliest people you shall ever meet, and we'll be sure to make everyone feel welcome. For example, a Brazillian team that came to our regional this year- Not only did we help them out when they needed it, but some of our members spent a lunchbreak or two playing soccer with them just to make them feel at home! Some of our members even spent a few nights after the regional hanging out with them.
Yeah it did really seem like that, infact our team was kinda jealous we could not attend it. UCF is a great regional but Rutgers seemed generally just like a lot of fun

I know here in south east we are pretty competetive yet nice competetive. Even tho we had the infamous collusion-between-teams regional this year.

When you really start to look at the way things are regionals around the nation seem to in some way reflect the culture of the teams. Nationals is just one big cultural experience ( more and more with the teams from diff. countries )

Thats what makes FIRST so unique how culture and the time is reflected through our bots, but at the same time we all get along ( for the most part ) with no problem. People who would never had been brought together or met each other if it wasn't for FIRST. FIRST teaches many life lessons but I believe the most important is we are all different. Thats whats so great about FIRST it can bring peopel from literally everywhere to build a robot and Play a game. It sounds simple but all involved with first for a while knows its soo much more than that.

Its good to realize that some teams are more competitive than others, some are more Laid back than others. All are needed to have the greatest FIRST experience, if it was always about winning people would have a harder time having fun, if it was always about having a good time there would be no competition.
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All I have to say is, East coast represent!

I wish there was a NY regional... lots of teams in this great state.
...technically.. there are two... NYC and Long Island....

.. but I agree.. it would be AWESOME to have one in Greater New York State.... I too would love to see Cornell host a regional, and would be extremely grateful to finally have a regional close to home!
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Oops, sorry, I was referring to one in the Central/Upstate region closer to the Syracuse/Rochestor/Ithaca area. Lots of great teams in Rochestor, one in Syracuse (or more??), and one here in Ithaca

Yeah, Cornell has plenty of space but Ithaca is so small that it's hard to see it having enough hotel/boarding choices for teams. I see Syracuse University as a good place to host one... especially since it's at the center of everything.
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Down here in South Florida about 4 years ago a miami alliance was formed, but then when battlebots recruited nola we lost that. All the teams from our school district helped eachother in one way or another. But we all definelty are competitive with eachother, i think the southeast has fun with its little rivalries that are very friendly. But when it comes down to it we all go to our sun bathed homes and are friends.
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We shouldn't be labeling FIRST teams according to their differences because we shouldn't have to. We're all united for one purpose, the competition is just what brings us together. A certain level of aggressiveness is to be expected, but regardless of anything that happens, there should be no booing at competitions, only cheers. True, many of us want to win, but in the end, all of us, each and every one, are working to expand FIRST and to promote the inspiration and recognition of science and technology through gracious professionalism.
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Many of you are wondering how the posts of pictures from "IRI" in Aignam's (and Big Mike's) very hotel room pertain to FIRST, and why they're kept on Delphi.

When 25 was at the competition, we competed as we always have- aiming to have fun over winning, and making new friends constantly.

Yet when we got back after a disappointing first day at IRI, our 4 non parental members all headed back to Aignam's room - followed by practically the rest of FIRST.
With people from the high northeast, mid east, mid west and far west all in one hotel room, we had the time of our lives simply by sitting there.

It was then that I realized something.
This easy world of friends, of people that you can talk to for hours on end without knowing one another? That's FIRST.
The robots? That's all second to this.

East? West? Mid-west? Did we even realize that we lived literally up to 1000 miles away from eachother? No, we just had fun. Did we realize that some of our teams were going to cross paths one day, only one emerging victorious? No, there was just the fun. Did any one of us even think twice about where the other came from? Nope. Just a heckuvalotta fun.
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