Ideas about the new game

[Sachiel7]

I'm taking a trip to home depot!

[KenWittlief]

Maybe they will have a 'reverse auton mode'

in the past we always had human players controlling the robot

maybe this year the robot will control the human player, guilding him remotely around the field blindfolded, and telling him what to do.

[robot voice with reverb] Ok human, lets see how YOU like running into a plexiglass wall at 20mph!

:c)

[Sachiel7]

I thought about auto mode, and it gets old after a while having it at the beginning of a match. The only problem is that you can't really have it anywhere else, and make sense. If they do extend the time, I hope they also extend the overall match time...I want more user operation back...
Or, auto mode may be shorter... did you notice how in most situations, after about 10 or less seconds, most bots had completed their auto mode, or messed up? Everyone was just watching the bots sit there for 5 seconds most of the time.

[Soukup]

There will definently be more robots on the field this year. FIRST struggled through some of the competitions this yaer to keep things moving. There was usually like a one minute break in between the reset of the field, and rematches or computer problems really chewed up time, and at Nationals you could really see the diference when Archimedes was so far behind Galileo. I believe they are going to try to get 6 temas on the field, one because nobody would have any previous strategy to use in 3 on 3 situations, 2, it would give teams more matches, and 3, the posibilities are endless. Look for some interesting game setup this year....

[Sachiel7]

The only problem with 6 robots is that it is 90% possible that the field size/shape will remain the same. Why? FIRST has put some big bucks into making a few permanent fields for regionals. They have only had these fields for about 2 years. The field is already fairly crowded with 4 bots, not to mention 6. I do like the idea, however, but it would require field expansion, which is not too likely.

[KenWittlief]

Hmmm.... moving the auton mode to the end of the match would make it interesting

esp if you had to do a king-of-the-hill sort of thing to score more points

[Sachiel7]

That would be a good idea...
The only thing is to have an effective mode, your bot would have to track it's position throughout the entire user time. I wonder if FIRST would expect this? Probably not, but you never know. I'm thinking it'll just be at the beginning again, 15 or less seconds.
KOTH will probably be back, and more than likely in a new and more challenging way. But it would have to be simple enough that rookies w/ just a decent drive can score the basic KOTH points.

[KenWittlief]

Originally posted by Sachiel7
That would be a good idea... (auton mode moved to the end of the match)
The only thing is to have an effective mode, your bot would have to track it's position throughout the entire user time.

hey, dont go thinking yourself into a box :c)

if autonmode is at the end of the match you could:

1. park the bot at a certain location just before auton starts.
2. point your bot is a certain direction
3. communicate information to the bot with your operator interface just before auton mode starts with different switch settings or joystick input (includeing where it is on the field)

other possible auton ideas for the new game. Require the robot to perform certain tasks automatically -for example, if you must pick up a object to score, the driver steers the bot towards the object, but the bot senses its there and grabs it by itself.

the possibilities are endless, and so are Dean and Woodies imaginations.

[Rich Wong]

if autonmode is at the end of the match you could:

1. park the bot at a certain location just before auton starts.
2. point your bot is a certain direction
3. communicate information to the bot with your operator interface just before auton mode starts with different switch settings or joystick input (includeing where it is on the field)

other possible auton ideas for the new game. Require the robot to perform certain tasks automatically -for example, if you must pick up a object to score, the driver steers the bot towards the object, but the bot senses its there and grabs it by itself.
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oh.... these are great ideas!

(.... mental note auto-mode at end of game)

[djcapelis]

I'm waiting for them to put that reflective tape all over the field so you can automatically detect where you are on the field, it would also be nice if robots where required to have it as well.

[Sachiel7]

Maybe that will be the FLL similarity?
The FLL field has "squares" of black lines that the Light sensor can use to tell which "square" it is on the field. Maybe the new field will be the same?

[Rickertsen2]

Originally posted by djcapelis
I'm waiting for them to put that reflective tape all over the field so you can automatically detect where you are on the field, it would also be nice if robots where required to have it as well.

how about RFID tags... The are much cheaper, practical, and you can descriminate btw diff objects.

btw: RFID tags are little strips you put on stuff that can be read from several feet away and can each conain specific information. The most familliar example is the anti-theft tags that stores/manufacturers put on stuff to prevent theft. you know the thingsthat set off alarms when you try to leave if thye are not deactivated. The things that they ignore anyway even if you do set off the alarm.

[Wayne C.]

In two words-

Punching Clowns



(we submitted that game for the survey. Nobody said NO yet)

Try picking those suckers up!


Send in the Clowns!!!!
WC

[Dan Richardson]

Hrmm so they said combination, You know what would be kewl? ( mayb not practical but cool ).. Why not have a few different games.. say they picked 3 of the 5 best games, and kept it like 2v2 or 3v3 for each one. You would be told what kind of game your playing when you get your match lists.. and every time it would change.

Every team would be allowed up to 3 different modifications ( say a ball scooper, a bin stacker and a goal clamper ) meaning you wouldn't have to go into each game with all 3.. you cauld remove them or attach one based on what game you were playing.

In the finals, it would be shortend.. so that you would only take the top 4 seeded teams.. but each team could pick 4 or 5 allies.

It would be a best of 3.. and each of the games would be played.

All 3 games would be the standard 2 minute length,and include the infamous autonomous mode.

The field would not change, it would be the same setup for the end. All the games could include a KOTH or mayb only 2 of them. The combinations are endless, it would really take a lot more thanking than " lets put together the strongest robot ever and push people around " that'd be part of it.. but with 3 different games.. the possibilities are endless.

Think of the madness

Think of the strategy

Think of the awesomeness

Dan

[Soukup]

clever idea.....really.

there is only 2 problems.... time and money. Having to build robot with mutliple functions may be a crucnh for most teams but reprogramming the bots, inspecting each part, and of course field setup would be a mess.

The only way to accomplish something like this would be to have game 1 on friday morning. game 2 on friday afternoon and game 3 on saturday. but if a robot that was designed for game 1 blows up and isn't ready for fridays matches, they;ve proven themselves useless.

this idea rocks but it would take a couple more years to get the foundations laid for this game. crazy idea though.