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After Nationals - The Noble Prize-like Awards of FIRST
Posted by Raul, Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.
Posted on 3/11/99 10:01 AM MST In Reply to: Re: Nah....! ready why: posted by Chris on 3/11/99 7:42 AM MST: I agree with Chris and David. Let's just do it after the Nationals. This way the rookie teams can look at this next year and incorporate some of what we learned. I have a different reason for feeling this way. I just don't have enough time do it during the heat of the design, build and test phases (and apparently neither did Delphi this year - right JJ?) - the Chairman's Award is enough of a challenge already . Besides, even if we found enough time during the hectic 6-week time period to document our designs properly, it would probably be too late for anyone to incorporate it into their designs that year.Raul : I completely agree with David that one of the most exciting parts of FIRST is : seeing all of the other robots for the first time at the regionals. I also : agree that if everything is posted, all of the robots will be virtually the : same. One of the things I always tell people when I describe FIRST to them : is that it is amazing how so many teams come up with so many different designs : for the same task. I always found that that is a large part of what makes : FIRST competitions so interesting to watch. : Another point I agree with is that it would take away a lot of the incentive : for being creative. Sure, some teams would be more creative to try and win one : of the awards, but some teams would wait to see what the others are doing and : then incorporate the best features from all of the postings. : This is what I would propose: Do Joe's idea, but wait until AFTER the national : competition. That way we would still need to be creative to win, we would still : feel the excitement when we saw all of the different designs at the regionals, : and there would still be a great variety of robots in the competition. The awards : would just come a little later, but that might be good. It will help spread the : FIRST cheer to more parts of the calender year instead of just the first few months. : How would this help the rookie teams? Leave the pictures posted until the : end of next year's competition. The game will change, but teams always end : up needing a drive system, maybe and elevator mechanism, an arm, or what not. : They could use ideas from past robots for how to implement the mechanisms, but : still need to be creative with how to tackle the new task. : : Hi all : : Well, Joe you offer an interesting idea. BUT I think it's not a good idea. : : Well, maybe it is good, but from what I think FIRST is, it would take away : : some of the BIG excitement the competition has right now. : : OK, here are my reasons : : 1. It is a competition. If all the teams publish their good ideas, there : : will basically be 30 (or whatever) teams with all the good features and ideas : : from the webpage, which results in basically 30 equal robots. Then it's no more : : the skills of engineering that make the most part of who wins and who loses, but : : just the skills of driving or maybe even luck. : : I tell you. We as a rookie team had NO IDEA what the competition would be like. : : We had NO IDEA what the other robots looked like and I tell you, I WAS SO SO SO : : EXCITED when I walked through the pits and looked at the other robots and when I : : talked to the other people about their experiences and when I saw the other robots : : in the practise rounds and how they managed the problem. : : Your idea would basically take a great part of that away. : : The other thing is, that probably especially rookie teams would just look at the : : webpage and copy the designs of the veterans. Where's the fun? Where's the creative : : thinking? And I tell you something else: As much as I wanted to know what the other : : robots would be like, I think knowing that before we built and designed our robot would : : kind of take away our motivation to design our OWN robot. : : It's like that: You are there for the first time, still pretty unsure about everything and : : then you read about the VETERAN'S ideas. And you think, well they must be right.. or even : : if you don't think so you see what they designed and it totally influences your design even : : if you don't copy... it influences you. : : I think as it is right now, it's just fine. Rookie teams are "just" rookie teams. Nobody : : expects them to WIN the competition. If they do, it's SUPER great, if they don't, it's GREAT : : too. Rookies don't have to win. They have to experience and learn, not to copy ;-) : : : : The other thing is: What if some teams decides not to publish their ideas. And they happen to : : have really good ones. And then you go to the competition see their robot which totally kicks : : $@#$@#$@# and think: Wow we didn't think about that.... and since we thought the designs on the : : internet are already good we didn't even think about designing something else, something new, : : something unique, something on your own... : : Or do you want to require all teams to publish their thoughts? Apparently you can't. : : Another thought: Let's say you have THE IDEA. The ultimative feature for your robot. And then : : you just want to give it away? Wouldn't you be proud if only your robot had that feature which : : would allow you to win the competition or at least be really competitive? : : Your idea would be just great if they gave us the problem and required us to solve it "on the : : paper" (or the internet ;-) But since there is still the competition which decides about win or loss : : I think it would just not work. : : Well, these are my thoughts... comments?? : : : : CYA : : David (Germanboy from rookie team 269 BruQuest ;-) |
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