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Unread 01-10-2002, 10:24
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Keep dreaming. Disney and Dean are sungg. Disney would bend over backwards to get more capacity to their hotel rooms. They are far behind, some 5,000 rooms too many right now. Plus, due to dwilinding attendence of all the parks, Disney would love to have 10,000 people for a captive audience.
Of course disney would be willing to hold an event for 10,000+ people...the problem with that is, will those 10,000+ people be able to afford it or want to pay for it....
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Of course disney would be willing to hold an event for 10,000+ people...the problem with that is, will those 10,000+ people be able to afford it or want to pay for it....
But, my post was making the point that Disney would go over backwards (read: reduce prices and increase bennifits) to keep FIRST. It looks good for their pocket books and attrats lots of people who woldn't usually go to Disney, but want to.
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But, my post was making the point that Disney would go over backwards (read: reduce prices and increase bennifits) to keep FIRST. It looks good for their pocket books and attrats lots of people who woldn't usually go to Disney, but want to.

But they are doing the opposite. they are raising prices due to the declining attendence. Disney is in it for the money. Thats whey they are an Amusement Park.
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But they are doing the opposite. they are raising prices due to the declining attendence. Disney is in it for the money. Thats whey they are an Amusement Park.
In my mind, it's a Disneyified supply and demand thing. FIRST and all these other places are using Disney for corporate or other reasons. Disney raises prices becuase people want to do it. FIRST drops out. Disney realizes what it lost (lots of $$$ durring a down time) and then drops prices back.

Remember Early Entry (Suprise Mornings)? Disney droped it last year for money reasons. Since then less people have been staying. So then they broght it back. Disney raised it's prices of All-Star due to demand and the *new* (and still not opened) Pop Centry resort. Demand fell flat. Disney droped prices and then closed Carribean Beach and didn't opening Pop Centry for over, get this, one year. It's still not open.
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Unread 02-10-2002, 19:49
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Smile ...and I'm buying a house in Florida so I could commute to National

I'm not really buying the place 10 miles from Disney just so I could commute to Nationals.

...but, I still hope that things get worked out for Nationals to remain at Disney in Orlando. The fact remains that there is no other place in the US, or probably in the world where 10,000 kids and a bunch of adults with them can compete in something like FIRST and then stay entertained so well in such a safe environment.

It is not cheap, but unless things have really changed a lot, Disney would be a lot cheaper than NYC or DC. Hotels in those cities are very expensive, and there would be a lot more risk involved with team members using the New York subway or Washington Metro to get around than there is with Disney's busses and monorails. There is certainly a lot to see and do in DC, but the hotels are scattered all around and if National is in early spring as it normally is, indoor venues would be needed. Are there any such venues?

Indianapolis, as mentioned by Andy and others could certainly handle the competition in the dome stadium and convention center downtown, but the "off time" entertainment options would be rather limited compared to Disney. The speedway and its museum are worth seeing, along with some other museums, but it's not like Disney.

I guess we'll be finding out soon what the "verdict" is on when and where.
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Unread 02-10-2002, 20:29
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I too hope that Disney works out for the nationals. Although we have been there for a few years now, I can't think of a better place for keeping the kids occupied safely in the off hours. The self contained nature of the Disney packages over the past few years makes it easy to manage the activities of the team.

The change of scenes by going to Florida is also more appealing than going to some convention center in a northern city. As a teacher I can only imagine trying to keep a bunch of HS kids out of trouble in a place like NYC.

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i agree with Wayne C. its hard to keep a bunch of kids under control in NYC. Florida at least u know where everything is, what time everything closes, and its easier to monitor team status in an amusement park then the streets of NYC.

The streets of NYC are not only noisy, they can get you lost and where woyuld u go in the city. don't think the stock exchange / UN want any visitors.
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First off, I'm ashamed that even the people who live here aren't even sticking up for nats being held in "the capital of the world."

Anyway, NYC has ample space to hold nats...maybe just not all in the same place. $@#Central park has enough space to hold at least 2 divisions in the same place. Let's not forget the parking lots at Yankee Stadium (12 last I counted). $@#The parking lots at the purple stadium (Shea) can hold the 4 divisions that are needed (but yes you do have to spread them out a little bit more than usual). $@#We also have enough empty space in the minor league parks in Staten Island and Brooklyn that don't really open till June; they can hold a couple thousand people. Finally, there are always the arenas right in New Jersey (15 minutes from midtown, provided you have good traffic). $@#In jersey there exists Giants Stadium, Continental Airlines arena as well as Aqueduct racetrack. $@#With these three arenas being in the same complex (better known as the medowlands) there would be enough space to squeeze a few hundred teams (in the parking lots of course).

Hotels in NYC are like anything else, it depends on where you are. If you choose to stay in the tourist district (the area around times square) you would pay more than in some of the other parts of the city. Jersey is also another option. There are many hotels in NJ that offer cheap rates and they aren't far from the city, you can use public transportation to come into the city.

There is plenty to do. $@#During the day there is sightseeing around the city (e.g. the empire state building, Yankees games, etc.) as well as shopping. $@#At night there are various arcades and clubs that students and mentors can go to. $@#there would really be no need to rent any expensive vehicles to travel with because students can use the public transportation system. next with 20 million people who would notice 10-20,000 extra people. $@#finally with 3 major airports (who just happen to be international too) in the area you can shop around for the cheapest rate.

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p.s. your students can't get in trouble on the streets of NYC unless they look for it (I HATE THIS STEREOTYPE !!!!!!!!!)

p.p.s. its hard to get lost in Manhattan (other parts of the city I can't speak on since i don't live in them) since the streets and avenues are NUMBERED
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Not to start trouble here but lets look at it this way




Student A: - Hey cool we are going to disney for the competition this year that is great we can got to the parks when we are not playing, There is ample security, Nice weather, and a good portion of disney's theme park one day




Student B: - NYC cool a city, got some police officers ( not dis'n them) a couple of big buildings, some museums (sp?) and hotels, and a stadium with my most unfavorited team, and, and i don't know



Who are you Student A or B


Don't get me wrong I don't mind NYC but lets look at reality not everyone like museums (sp?) and shopping or the [ugh] Yankees [/ugh]
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Face it, put your bias aside. Lets face it NYC ISN'T safe enough for FIRST. And where can we get the space? Central Park? Good luck. That would PO more people than we can imagine.

Face it Disney haters/lovers/don't care-irs, Disney is the only reasonable place to hold it. Disney and Dean still have a good relationship and it still has the best security and self-containess that we love (like the idea of food vouchers, too bad if you want to go to NYC)
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Hmmm..... My experience as a teenager and with the ones I work with on a weekly basis, is that they would be happy to go just about anywhere as long as they can get out of school for a few days.

Also, the kids I knew in High School would have jumped at the chance to go to NYC.
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Keep in mind...

To all...

Keep in mind that this decision on the location and date of the Championships is not at all up to us (teams).

We should all trust that FIRST is trying their hardest to make the best situation they can for the teams. We may not agree with what they come up with, but we are gonna have to accept what they offer when they get done with their negotiations.

I've been in this long enough to know that FIRST is always trying their hardest to do what is best for the teams. We may have to accept higher prices at Disney, an inconvenient date of the Championships, or a new Championship location... but once they come out with an announcement, we need to accept it and show FIRST the support they deserve.

Everyone should know that planning these Regionals and the Championships are very difficult things to do. It takes years of planning to put in a new Regional, let alone the Championships. Most new Regionals have been in the works for at least 2, maybe 3 years.

I'm looking forward to FIRST telling us when and where the Championships are, but if they need more time to negotiate, that is perfectly fine with me. If it takes a few more days or even weeks to try to make the situation the best it can be for us, then we surely should be graceful and patient.


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I'm wondering if maybe since Disney is sponsoring 2 new teams along with pre-existing teams, that maybe they feel they are unable to host it anymore for some reason
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What could be better than that, using the mall would be cool. Its safer than NYC has ALOT of culture and everything. Its awsome!

Alot more teams would be able to drive there too, its in the middle of the Eastern Coastline
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Re: Keep in mind...

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To all...

Keep in mind that this decision on the location and date of the Championships is not at all up to us (teams).

We should all trust that FIRST is trying their hardest to make the best situation they can for the teams. We may not agree with what they come up with, but we are gonna have to accept what they offer when they get done with their negotiations.

I've been in this long enough to know that FIRST is always trying their hardest to do what is best for the teams. We may have to accept higher prices at Disney, an inconvenient date of the Championships, or a new Championship location... but once they come out with an announcement, we need to accept it and show FIRST the support they deserve.

Everyone should know that planning these Regionals and the Championships are very difficult things to do. It takes years of planning to put in a new Regional, let alone the Championships. Most new Regionals have been in the works for at least 2, maybe 3 years.

I'm looking forward to FIRST telling us when and where the Championships are, but if they need more time to negotiate, that is perfectly fine with me. If it takes a few more days or even weeks to try to make the situation the best it can be for us, then we surely should be graceful and patient.


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