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Re: Re: Re: Re: East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest FIRST

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2. Not to offend or stir up a tempest but the local crowd at IRI was essentially cold to us. What stands out in my mind is sitting most of the day with one team we respected for years. We cheered and clapped when their machine went out and talked to the folks as we sat. When OUR machine went out the same people rooted for the other guy.
Now I know everybody has favorites but it made me feel unwelcome.
I also think this has to do w/ the Midwest association thing. I clapped for everyone or I just didn't clap at all (at least, I think I did). Now I don't know about other teams in the Midwest... but our team generally tends to stay within our own team (with a few exceptions). I don't know if people are shy, or if they just want to stay to themselves. You and many other teams had an amazing robot, and I know I clapped for ya (if that's any compensation lol)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest FIRST

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2. Not to offend or stir up a tempest but the local crowd at IRI was essentially cold to us. What stands out in my mind is sitting most of the day with one team we respected for years. We cheered and clapped when their machine went out and talked to the folks as we sat. When OUR machine went out the same people rooted for the other guy.
Now I know everybody has favorites but it made me feel unwelcome.
From my experiences, I have found this to be true here on the east coast as well. Last year (Zone Zeal) was he first year 84 really became competitive and active in the off-season. After a marvelous time at Rutgers, we made MANY friends, and in return we competed in off-season events including PARC, MD Fair and Ramp Riot. By following the same general teams throughout those competitions, we became friends with several teams such as 103, 25, and 341.
To summarize - through that friendship, this year... we (84 floor team) continued our support of these new bonds. We traveled to the Chesapeake Regional not just to get a glimps of the game, but to support our 'bonds' made the previous year. This continued for us throuh the season and at the Championship Event. Eventhough our team was not out there.... we still felt that these bonds that we had made were important.... and we cheered for those that we knew... or felt had supported us through our journeys.

..... just a random thought thrown in the bucket ....
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest FIRST

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The Midwest is competitive, its our nature, we play to win or don't play at all, but if we lose we take it graciously.
Well said, Ricky. That's kindof the impression I've always had of teams in this area. Case in point: Wildstang at this year's Nationals. We'd just finished alliance selection, and 111's operator came up to me and wished us luck, and said he hoped one of us would get to take home the national title. When they beat us in the Archimedes finals, we did the same, congratulated them on their win, thanked them for two great matches, and wished them luck in the finals. The Midwest teams can sometimes seem standoffish and ultra-competitive, but we're always gracious about it.
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RIT's in the process of building a rather large field house and there's interest in hosting it there. There isn't really much more to say than that though.

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Living in Iowa the midwest does kinda follow that trend. The lack of First teams is how the education systems are. Very step by step get it right the first time approach. (not bad at all, just slower.) So when we try and spread the message and get new teams started MANY teachers and principles are sceptical. Our team took like 4 years of convincing to start. As for compitition it may look laid back but it is fierce. ALOT of rookies teams are popping up in the midwest ex. Kansas, N. and S. Dakota, and Missouri. If anyone has been to the st. louis or midwest regionals, it isn't a cake walk for the vet teams at all.

Any who, I like this thread!
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I know for my self and alot of people on my team the robot and the competition are the things that mean the least about first. Learning is #1 having fun is #2 meeting new people is #3 and wining comes in dead last. I know a few more mid-Atlantic east coast teams this applys too.
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That which we don't know, often makes us uncomfortable and sometimes leads to this regional separation that is somewhat arbitrary and too "wide-brush" as Koko Ed puts it. I do believe that there are many very competitive teams in the east. However, in the past three years, we have attended regionals in New England, Philadelphia, New Jersey, and Annapolis and are somewhat torn as to where to go this coming year because all of these eastern experiences have been great.

All have been very competitive and emotions sometimes run very high because of the time and energy invested by the teams. However, it's been my experience, especially in NJ and Philadelphia, that it's like one big family in the end. The "compete like crazy" part Woodie Flowers always talks about has only made all teams better as we constantly strive to raise our level to match our fellow gracious competitors.

Some of our best friends and the teams we learn from the most are those who defeated us in one way or another over the years, but have also inspired us and helped us to grow. 25 is a prime example of that. So are teams from all over the east, northeast, the south, and around the country.

I expect my friends to challenge me to become better in every way possible . Friends help friends grow. If I show up at a competition ill-prepared to meet a challenge, I can expect to be beaten soundly, but within the rules. The great part about FIRST is that I can also expect those who have beaten me soundly to help and encourage me for the future. So, being highly competitive and very nurturing/giving are not necessarily mutually exclusive events.

Let's be careful not to separate a united effort. Let's celebrate the differences in a positive light, learn from our misgivings, and grow.
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I agree with aaron... I don't like how we have become so competitive and agressive... But I think that the one's that have the big impact on the kids to think like this is the teachers/mentors... I wonder if there is anything I can do to change this a little...

Also I'd like to say that Rich did put a great post...
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