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Unread 25-10-2005, 18:47
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

The men versus women, black versus white versus asain versus etc debates have been going on forever, and unless something changes dramitically in soceity probably will continue to exist. The biggest reason that soceity can't escape them are the paradoxes presented by their supporters, women's rights activists demand complete equality for women, but you still can't hit a girl, that'd be wrong. People who want equality are (for the most part) hypocrites; they only want the positive parts of "equality". Another prime example is affirmative action, it's ridiculous. It is in no way anything but pure racism, however, since it is racism against the majority, it's allowed. The only way to ever eliminate sexism, racism, whatever-else-ism is to ignore it completely, but the average person is not capable of doing that, and it's an unfortunate statement about society.

I apologize if I offend anyone, or even if some of what I say sounds a little extreme, but I'm tired of getting the shaft because I'm a middle-class, caucasian, male. I'm tired of "Women's engineering day" and "Girls 'n Gears", what if I'm interested in engineering? Does no one care about presenting workshops for guys interested in engineering? I took the PSAT last weekend, and I couldn't check the checkbox that said, "Check here if you are of African or Native American descent and you would like the PSAT to send you name and information to more scholarship oppurtunities". How is that fair to me? How can people demand equal rights as long as those checkboxes are still there?

One of my favorite agruments is that we're "making up for mistreatment in the past". Does that mean that if I find out that my father was killed by your father, but by now both are already dead, that you should have to go to jail to make up for your father's creulty to me?

Our team is somewhere between 1/4 to 1/3 female, and they are more than just PR. Yet despite my best efforts even our team is not free of this problem, we've even won an award for it. Last year in OCCRA (a small, fall robotics competition, hunt around CD, it's well known), we recieved a judges award, and the judge told us, "It was really down to you and another team, but the deciding factor was when someone mentioned that you were the only team with two girls on your drive team". Is is fair that we won a judges award because our regular human player wasn't there and we happened to grab a female team member to fill in? I don't think so.

The only way that the assorted -isms will ever go away is if people stop paying attention to them. Even if it "has nothing to do with the selection process and is only used for research purposes", why should it matter? Until people begin to completely ignore physically defining charcteristics, people will always be judged by them.

I apologize for using this thread to vent, as well as going out of the scope of the topic a bit, but it is something that really gets to me.
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Unread 30-06-2008, 11:37
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

I haven't even thought of this as an issue until I saw this topic =/

If someone tells me theres a girl on our team I'll just probably be like "Ya? and?"

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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

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I haven't even thought of this as an issue until I saw this topic =/

If someone tells me theres a girl on our team I'll just probably be like "Ya? and?"

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Holy...major bump sorry just noticed lol.
I think the original point of the thread aimed for active recruitment of a socially-categorized group that doesn't usually participate in a FIRST-type venture. I still think this is a reasonably valid point, since often times our first instinct is to simply take what we get rather than actively seek a variety of viewpoints from places we usually take no notice of.

From viewing a few of the posts, this is a pretty good reference thread, and I don't think many people would have read it had it not been bumped.
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

We only have a few girls on our team, but they def. aren't just on the team. We bascially run the team, from making sure everybody knows where to be when, to driving the robot, to organizing team bonding activities! OUR GIRLS RULE!!!!! (im one of them lol)
p.s. recruiting girls isn't that hard. let them know that there is plenty to do on a robotics team besides just building. Then when they get hooked on robotics introduce them to the dirty stuff and they love it! (That's how they got me)
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

hmm...no offense to our girls, but at least one girl in the club is dating a current member...strange.

But yeah, girls are a big part of the club,
1. our schoo mentor is a female
2. our co- president is a femal
3. our treasurer is a female.
4. and we have many female builders on the team.
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we lost a lot of girls

If anyone went to Philly regionals last year you might remember the diablo girls. They were raising money by selling hugs and kisses. they actually made $83.52 from that. anyway we had 9-10 girls but after graduation we only had 1. we did get 3-4 newbies but that isnt really enough to make up for our losses.
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Re: we lost a lot of girls

If I were a girl, I would definately be in FIRST. There are mostly guys in FIRST, so you have many options....
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

Our team only has 3 girls. Two of wich are first timers *myself included* i think last year we only had one girl.
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

Our big problem is not that their arent girls (we have like 15) but that few of them do technical work (like 5). We actually have people join to be with the girls and don't do any work!
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

Why?? thats the question! Well, just because we're girls doesn't mean we can do things like boys do. And, just because boy's are boy's doesn't mean they can do things girls do. Thats true. =D
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Re: Why girls ARE joining our team...

im on a california all girls team. we are all girls and im very proud of that fact. i personally am what you might call the cheerleader of the team. i run spirit and most people assume im a huge ditz and cant actually do anything involving the robot. well fyi im not just head of spirit. i also head programming and strategy so im well rounded. our team is full of well rounded girls who represent first on many levels.
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Re: we lost a lot of girls

Considering that our team is an all-girls team, we DO have more girls than boys. Boys = our mentors and our mascot. Hmm...
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After graduation...we lost our entire PR team. Well...it was two girls. That was a big team.
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Re: we lost a lot of girls

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If anyone went to Philly regionals last year you might remember the diablo girls. They were raising money by selling hugs and kisses. they actually made $83.52 from that. anyway we had 9-10 girls but after graduation we only had 1. we did get 3-4 newbies but that isnt really enough to make up for our losses.
Umm, ewww. Nevermind what other potential they might have, you can't make up for lost hugging/kissing revenue?

I know you didn't mean for this to sound the way it does, but it sounds that way. It's insulting.
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Our team has about 10 girls... it's odd though because our media people are always trying to find a way to incorporate the girl's into the videos and such. Makes me laugh. It's basically because a lot of the girls are involved in strategy and media.. most of us don't know too much about fab(though I'm trying to learn) Should be interesting...
As for the whole grad thing. Next year our team is loosing a ton of people. The vast majority of our team is seniors and most of the people that do the work are part of that group. Our seniors are running the team almost... should be.. interesting next year.
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