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our team...

Well our team, has no engineers. At times it gets difficult but we can honestly say we the students built it. All the designing and fabrication is done by us. We have 2 adults who help us, one is a physics teacher and the other is a technical director. We consult them if our ideas are within the bounds of this physical universe. The answer is always- everything is possible. We are lucky to have a mill and a lathe in our school, and the surrounding lab is where the robot is forged, so that's where all the work is done. Other teams make use of our equipment. We've helped 3 rookie teams in fabrication and we ourselves are a rookie team. Our team has to be very resourceful, as we are a low budget team with no sponsor. (We were entered by our school board) At the end of the day, we're on a different playing field than a team who has a robot built by engineers. So, why can't we be a little louder?
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We have an interesting group dynamic happening at 810. . . it's unusual, and perhaps even a bit inefficient. But, it's everyone's first time in their respective positions, so it's to be expected.

Concept development was done primarily by the students, with a bit of input and guidance from the mentors - since we have the benefit of having experienced several competitions and understand some of the more common - or easier ways of doing things.

I am entirely responsible for the design of the entire machine. I take the rough sketches and ideas that the team has developed and turn them into something that's workable - within our limited budget and manufacturing ability. As such, I'm also in charge of deciding what we order and such. It's actually quite a bit more responsibility than I wanted - but if this is what it takes to make sure the kids have something they can be proud of, that's fine with me.

Fabrication of intricately machined parts is done by a third party (we think...we've yet to actually find this third party). . .

Assembly of the robot is done entirely by the students, though. I hardly lay a finger on the thing. I'm probably a bit of a nuisance to them, incessantly reminding them to be neat and think of everything that's going on before they move forward - but they're learning.

There are some parents who are heavily involved as well, either by talking about design issues with me, or by getting a hand in on the building and showing the kids some tips and tricks.
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My hat is off to you team 907. We learned first hand lastyear about the difficulties of designing and building a working robot with absolutely no outside help.
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Our school is lucky enough to have a machine shop we can build our robot in. Every part on our robot is designed, cut, bolted, welded, and programmed by students. We have a CAD teacher, electronics teacher, and machine shop teacher (who doesnt even work at the school anymore) working with us after school. Their function is mainly to answer questions we have. I dont see the point in participating in FIRST if your mentors are the ones doing the work.
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We build the robot at our sponsor (Ethicon) and we have almost a full size field. As to who builds it. it is about 50/50 even when the students do not build the parts of the robot they learn how to and gain knowledge by watching an experienced engineer or machinist cut something or make something....

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We do

We build our robot and are proud of it. We have engineers over see but not realy manuacture.
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Our team (639) was sponsored by Borgwarner and Cornell, but we did all the work.

WE did have help on a few things like Cnc machining, but we did all the design and production.
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This year was kind of hard for my team because during the summer our main sponsor Cordis decided to stopped funding us and find a new school. We had to run around and pull enough money together to enter regionals, nationals, and build a robot.

We also got lucky and found the Knottsco www.knottsco.com (You can see a picture of our robot here with our second place trophy :-) which was willing to give us all the 80/20 and pneumatics we could use and Thermoplastic Processes which loaned us the use of their machine shop.

Another effect of that was the total lack of engineers - machinists. We had one physics teacher, one electronics teacher, and one machinist who assisted us. I'm proud to say however that our robot was designed and built 95% by students on manual machines. You will not see an engineer working on the robot in the pits because there are none. I do not get annoyed when I see robots that are clearly built by professionals because it gives me all the more satisfaction when i go up against those bots and i show that I can do just as well if not better.
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We start with a meeting to get everyones ideas and after the students construct the playing field. This takes place in a Hammond school building built in the 30s in an old band room. This location will almost hold a playing field and has several rooms we can store parts and tools and a room we use with the grinder and sander and saws that are loud. We hold all of our meetings in this room except for those working in a PC computer lab in another part of this same building. (The Hammond Area Career Center) This room has a very high ceiling so it works well for handling balls and other flying objects. Its located on the second floor and everything has to be carried up and down two flights of stairs. (goals, parts, tools, robot etc.)
Most all of the building takes place in this old band room with Bill Beatty and his engineers, several parents, and most all of our students in attendance 5 nights per week and all day Saturday and Sunday for the entire build phase. After the initial meeting everyones ideas are compiled and a basic design takes shape. This is more defined by Mr. Beatty. The engineers and our students and parents start putting together the new robot. The students do really build a portion of the robot but the engineers have the final say. The construction takes place on one end of this room on the playing field. Any machining required is done at Beatty Machine and Bemcor or several other generous machine shops in town (Brian Beatty's buddies) but prmarilly the Beatty shop. The Hammond Schools location does not have machine shop facilities. Students and Mr. Noble (a Beatty engineer) will construct all the electrical systems
All testing and driving practice are performed in this same room. (after all the metal shavings and the White Castle boxes are cleaned up) We have human player practice in our parking lot and also in this room too.
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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

we use a chemistry lab at our school, and is entirely designed and built by students

there's only 1 real mentor for our team, and he just makes sure we don't kill ourselves in the lab
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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

Team 1516 is entirely done by students, we have one Mentor and he has no say in any aspect of the Robot, nor does he work on the robot at all. We have no engineers, no machinest. Al fabrication is done by students all designing is done by students and all decisions are made by students, we take great pride in these facts.
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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

Wow.
This is an old thread.
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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

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Wow.
This is an old thread.
i just noticed the same thing

our team builds in our high school shop. it has some band saws, drill presses, and a lathe. we have 2 mentors, one for the robot and another to help with programming. our menor doesnt nessecarily design the robot but he stears us to the right desin. most of the fabrication is done by students and only done by mentors when under a big time cruch or something to complicated for a student to do.
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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

(I spent like 10 minutes making an ASCII for our workroom, then the forum messes up the spacing so oh well.)

Anyway, we have a room about 12' X 25' w/ 3' lab counter lining the two long walls and one short wall. We have a drill press, band saw, scroll saw, and grinder on the counter.

Robots designed and built completely by students.

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Re: Where do you actually build your robot and who does the building???

1023 works in the Auto Shop of our school, with the wood shop and machine shop across the hall. The students design/fabricate/manufacture all aspects of the robot with guidence from parents and our sponsor, Midwest Fluid Power and an engineer from MTS. MFP's mentor knows the 8020 product well and helps us use it to its highest potential. The mentor from MTS helps us do design work so we can get what we want on paper. The rest of our mentors, excpet our coach - a math teach, are all parents of students on the team who help us out when we run into major issues (things just don't work like we thought, we can't diagnose the problem, etc)
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