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Re: The Voice of Dissent

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Originally posted by M. Krass
Go for it.

Foremost, I wouldn't consider lightening a new set of gears or sprockets to be altering their function. I wouldn't even say that changing ratios is altering function so much as it is altering performance. In my mind, that's okay.
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree. I have spare parts that I wish to make lighter to make sure I have a margin of safety with making the 130 lb limit. But there is no way I feel right doing it until we get to the competition.

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If FIRST, in a forthcoming update, says we should stop -- stop.
If you fabricate spares now and FIRST says "stop", they will likely also make it illegal to use parts fabricated after shipping, not just parts fabricated after they say "stop".

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This discussion is of great interest to me. We have already planned a major retrofit for our design to make it more versatile and that retrofit requires new parts. We're hoping to build a prototype of it now, as there's no hope of finishing it before FIRST says to stop building parts, and then make a final version after our first regional -- keeping in line with rules from years past, as this years rules are something less than crystal clear.
If you create a new design and prototype it and then fabricate the same thing at the competition, then I would say you will be within the rules. But if you intend to install any parts made for the new design before the competition, that would be illegal.

Yes, of course the rules have not yet been releases by FIRST. But after 8 years of doing this, I think I can predict what the rule will be; it has not changed much in the past. The only differences in the past have been whether they allowed us to take the robot with us and ship in on Tuesday, versus shipping it on Saturday after each competition, also, whether or not new functionality could be fabricated until that Tuesday.

The new thing this year seems to be that they will allow identical spares to be fabricated at any time. I doubt FIRST will allow new designs to be fabricated between shipping and the first competition which would then be brought to the competition and installed on your robot. As in the past, they will require that new design/functionality be fabricated at the competition.

What I cannot predict is if they will allow us to fabricate new functionality between Saturday and Tuesday following any competition.
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