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how close will they call entaglement

I see al ot of bots pushing the envelope on the "detachable robots"

I think that they wll call this very close- i am seeing alot of problems with mini-bots all over the place and team getting entangled in them-

is there a protocol set in place for these ruling to be made or will it be like last year where some rules were strictly enforced in one regional; and weakly in another-

ie the poor mans balence at vcu !!!



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I'm not sure that entanglement will be as big of an issue that everyone thinks it will be. If a team even tried anything at all, they would be able to come up with something that lays flat and is not totally flexible. A tether like that would be very difficult to get tangled in, unless the entangled team were really trying. And if this were the case, how can the tether wielding team be penalized if they weren't the team causing the entaglement? It would be like grabbing another team's goal grabber arm, and contending that they entangled you.
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not too big of a problem

I think at competition, there are two kind of entanglement call.

One of them are really obvious ones that the inspectors can tell immediately when they first see the robot. That kind of calling will be made in inspection, and teams will have to modify their robot right away.

The other one is during matches, when ACTUAL entanglement happens. Basically the referees are going to call that when something do happen, and not at a risk of...

I think it is simply too much burden for FIRST to look into what's possible and not possible at being a risk of entanglement. So, it's more likely that they will leave it to the referees for the final decision on the field.
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Re: not too big of a problem

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I think at competition, there are two kind of entanglement call.

One of them are really obvious ones that the inspectors can tell immediately when they first see the robot. That kind of calling will be made in inspection, and teams will have to modify their robot right away.

The other one is during matches, when ACTUAL entanglement happens. Basically the referees are going to call that when something do happen, and not at a risk of...

I think it is simply too much burden for FIRST to look into what's possible and not possible at being a risk of entanglement. So, it's more likely that they will leave it to the referees for the final decision on the field.
A third thing would be if in a match it even presents a TINY chance for entanglement...and because it is not time dependent, you could be racking up a huge score, and you set off your secondary bot, and *BOOM* your get DQed, and the other alliance just got three times YOUR HUGE score...

Its not IF it will entangle or not, or IF someone does get entangled, its the RISK that it MIGHT entangle, even if all the other robots are FAR away. (sorry for the "shouting"...just trying to emphasize the important parts of the rule).
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I'm not sure that entanglement will be as big of an issue that everyone thinks it will be. If a team even tried anything at all, they would be able to come up with something that lays flat and is not totally flexible. A tether like that would be very difficult to get tangled in, unless the entangled team were really trying. And if this were the case, how can the tether wielding team be penalized if they weren't the team causing the entaglement? It would be like grabbing another team's goal grabber arm, and contending that they entangled you.
This exact thing happened at the SCRRF scrimage today, and the team with the tether was DQ'ed. See my other thread at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&threadid=2606
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