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Re: 2006 game hints?

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Divide that by the sum of the sides of on the scoring objects and the field...
I need to amend that to read:
"Divide that by the sum of the sides on the planar projection of the scoring objects and the field. i.e. a tetra is 3 sides, a box is 4 sides..."

Many have speculated a baton. However, per my theory, that would require a 5 or 6 sided field.

Assuming a traditional rectangular field, the scoring object would need 3, 5, 8, or 13 sides.

Assuming a hexagonal field, as apparently has been used in the past, the scoring objects would need 1, 3, 6, or 11 sides.

My prediction: for the last several years, the final number has not just been a multiple of 4, it has been a multiple of 12. That leaves us with the rectangular field and 8 sided object or hexagonal field and 6 sided object. Because of the complexity involved with building an 8 sided scoring object, I'm going with the hexagonal field with 6 sided object.
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Re: 2006 game hints?

Patterns. I would almost bet money on the game resembling one of the past four years (Zone, Stack, Raise and Triple) in a major way. I would also count on there being a twist that will make jaws drop (It's dave's nature!).


Add in the fact that we are due for a game of boxes or balls.

2001 Balls and goals with ramp

2002 Balls with goals in zones

2003 Boxes and ramp

2004 Balls with platform, bar and goals

2005 Tetras and goals

It's a cycle. SOmething tells me boxes but not like were expecting.
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Re: 2006 game hints?

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I need to amend that to read:
"Divide that by the sum of the sides on the planar projection of the scoring objects and the field. i.e. a tetra is 3 sides, a box is 4 sides..."

Many have speculated a baton. However, per my theory, that would require a 5 or 6 sided field.

Assuming a traditional rectangular field, the scoring object would need 3, 5, 8, or 13 sides.

Assuming a hexagonal field, as apparently has been used in the past, the scoring objects would need 1, 3, 6, or 11 sides.

My prediction: for the last several years, the final number has not just been a multiple of 4, it has been a multiple of 12. That leaves us with the rectangular field and 8 sided object or hexagonal field and 6 sided object. Because of the complexity involved with building an 8 sided scoring object, I'm going with the hexagonal field with 6 sided object.
That sounds like something from Numb3rs.

A six-sided object would be a cube or a rectuangular prism. This would not figure into the pattern of the recent FIRST games, in which even-numbered years use an odd-number-sided playing field object. This all seems pretty interesting that these patterns have been discovered, even though they may be very weird coincidences. What would the odds be that FIRST is actually following a set algorithim for determining their games each year? I'm guessing maybe infinity minus one to one against. Only in 45 days on January 7th will we really know.
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Re: 2006 game hints?

The only real thing you can rely on in the games is the need for a good, solid drivetrain, and a good lift or equivalent device. Every year, there has been carpet (sorry water people), and there has been something needing to be put somewhere higher. Maybe FIRST will repeal that "no throwing game objects" rule this year!
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Re: 2006 game hints?

Maybe they'll have us use the camera, infrared, or some sonar device to find the distance to a target and we'll have to program ballistics calculations to shoot the game object into the goal...catapults anyone?
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That sounds like something from Numb3rs.

A six-sided object would be a cube or a rectuangular prism.
Actually, I was going more along the lines of those people that perform an analysis on numbers in the bible and figure out the apocalypse.

As for the object, I meant what you would get if you flatten it. A cube would be 4 sides, a tetra would be 3... So a six-sided object would be some kind of extruded hexagon.
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Re: 2006 game hints?

With all the talk about batons and my research into last year that found many people hit the pyramid hint right on the head, could it be that we will simply see the return of PVC goals?

Last year we guessed pyramids and got pyramids missing the insides. This year we guess batons and get batons missing the insides, or pvc goals?

(Also ironically at the FLL tournament I attended last weekend there where baton twirlers selling Kettle Korn at 3 bucks for a bag about a foot tall and 4 inches in diameter raising money to go to DC...) Is this some subtle game hint?
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As for the object, I meant what you would get if you flatten it. A cube would be 4 sides, a tetra would be 3... So a six-sided object would be some kind of extruded hexagon.
Maybe there will be hexagonal mobile goals again?

All the speculation so far is about batons being used for the actual playing field object. But what if they weren't? Following FIRST's ball-nonball game pattern of the recent years, we're due for a ball game. What if the batons really represent parts of a goal? What if there is going to be really short goals this year? What if these batons would be connected to make a ladder-like goal? Or maybe a fence/barrier?

Batons are usually easily moved about and manupulated by a cheerleader or such, so would this mean that there will be all mobile goals on the field? Would this represent some sort of dynamic field element(s)? Or would there be goals that don't belong to any specific alliance color by default, but to the alliance that puts more balls into it (similar to tetra goal ownership)? Would robots be able to easily manipulate the balls, and score them into goals without a human player? Would human players somehow alter goal ownership?

For a person to be able to manipulate a baton, it takes practice and skill. Would this mean that there will be a very difficult task to do, that only a small number of teams can accomplish? Will the balls be odd shaped, like footballs? Would this mean that an arm/elevator would be practically necessary for the game?

And the speculation continues...


Just to clarify, when I said a six-sided object was a cube in my previous post, I was thinking of six faces on a cube.
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Batons are usually easily moved about and manupulated by a cheerleader or such
That must be it!! The Human Players will have to manipulate the batons--twirl them without dropping them--for the whole match! Double points for twirling two instead of just one. And think of the safety advantage--no more interacting with those dangerous robots!

Now all we have to do is figure out what on earth the robots are supposed to do.
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Would human players somehow alter goal ownership?
Maybe the human players have to beat each other with padded batons (like what the military uses for aggression training). The alliance with the most conscious member at the end gets to have their balls in goals count for double. I'm gonna go talk to the wrestling team...
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Maybe there will be hexagonal mobile goals again?
Oh good, Zone Zeal meets Dyabolical Dynamics meets FIRST Frenzy. Balance the 180lb Zone Zeal goals on the teeter totter bridge from 2001, THEN hang from a pull up bar that is attached to the teeter totter (directly above the bridge's balance point of course).

Oh, and dont forget to cap the goals with a tetra or doubler ball.
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Actually, I was going more along the lines of those people that perform an analysis on numbers in the bible and figure out the apocalypse.

As for the object, I meant what you would get if you flatten it. A cube would be 4 sides, a tetra would be 3... So a six-sided object would be some kind of extruded hexagon.
maybe some sort of hexagonal tube (baton + hex)? im not sure how useful that wierd numbers theory is though...pvc tubes would make more sense as game objects...wouldnt they have infinite sides because they are circles? hmm...
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