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Re: Nah....! ready why:
Posted by Chris, Coach on team #308, Walled Lake Monster, from Walled Lake Schools and TRW Automotive Electronics.
Posted on 3/11/99 7:42 AM MST In Reply to: Nah....! ready why: posted by David on 3/10/99 11:14 PM MST: I completely agree with David that one of the most exciting parts of FIRST is seeing all of the other robots for the first time at the regionals. I also agree that if everything is posted, all of the robots will be virtually the same. One of the things I always tell people when I describe FIRST to them is that it is amazing how so many teams come up with so many different designs for the same task. I always found that that is a large part of what makes FIRST competitions so interesting to watch. Another point I agree with is that it would take away a lot of the incentive for being creative. Sure, some teams would be more creative to try and win one of the awards, but some teams would wait to see what the others are doing and then incorporate the best features from all of the postings. This is what I would propose: Do Joe's idea, but wait until AFTER the national competition. That way we would still need to be creative to win, we would still feel the excitement when we saw all of the different designs at the regionals, and there would still be a great variety of robots in the competition. The awards would just come a little later, but that might be good. It will help spread the FIRST cheer to more parts of the calender year instead of just the first few months. How would this help the rookie teams? Leave the pictures posted until the end of next year's competition. The game will change, but teams always end up needing a drive system, maybe and elevator mechanism, an arm, or what not. They could use ideas from past robots for how to implement the mechanisms, but still need to be creative with how to tackle the new task. : Hi all : Well, Joe you offer an interesting idea. BUT I think it's not a good idea. : Well, maybe it is good, but from what I think FIRST is, it would take away : some of the BIG excitement the competition has right now. : OK, here are my reasons : 1. It is a competition. If all the teams publish their good ideas, there : will basically be 30 (or whatever) teams with all the good features and ideas : from the webpage, which results in basically 30 equal robots. Then it's no more : the skills of engineering that make the most part of who wins and who loses, but : just the skills of driving or maybe even luck. : I tell you. We as a rookie team had NO IDEA what the competition would be like. : We had NO IDEA what the other robots looked like and I tell you, I WAS SO SO SO : EXCITED when I walked through the pits and looked at the other robots and when I : talked to the other people about their experiences and when I saw the other robots : in the practise rounds and how they managed the problem. : Your idea would basically take a great part of that away. : The other thing is, that probably especially rookie teams would just look at the : webpage and copy the designs of the veterans. Where's the fun? Where's the creative : thinking? And I tell you something else: As much as I wanted to know what the other : robots would be like, I think knowing that before we built and designed our robot would : kind of take away our motivation to design our OWN robot. : It's like that: You are there for the first time, still pretty unsure about everything and : then you read about the VETERAN'S ideas. And you think, well they must be right.. or even : if you don't think so you see what they designed and it totally influences your design even : if you don't copy... it influences you. : I think as it is right now, it's just fine. Rookie teams are "just" rookie teams. Nobody : expects them to WIN the competition. If they do, it's SUPER great, if they don't, it's GREAT : too. Rookies don't have to win. They have to experience and learn, not to copy ;-) : : The other thing is: What if some teams decides not to publish their ideas. And they happen to : have really good ones. And then you go to the competition see their robot which totally kicks : $@#$@#$@# and think: Wow we didn't think about that.... and since we thought the designs on the : internet are already good we didn't even think about designing something else, something new, : something unique, something on your own... : Or do you want to require all teams to publish their thoughts? Apparently you can't. : Another thought: Let's say you have THE IDEA. The ultimative feature for your robot. And then : you just want to give it away? Wouldn't you be proud if only your robot had that feature which : would allow you to win the competition or at least be really competitive? : Your idea would be just great if they gave us the problem and required us to solve it "on the : paper" (or the internet ;-) But since there is still the competition which decides about win or loss : I think it would just not work. : Well, these are my thoughts... comments?? : : CYA : David (Germanboy from rookie team 269 BruQuest ;-) |
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