Examples of wide-based robots using traction and omni wheels

I need to prove to my mentor that 1 set of omni wheels and 1 set of traction wheels will make really good turning for our wide-based robot. Does anyone have any videos/pictures (vids preferable) of robots that fit this description?

I already searched on CD and Google for a while and found nothing, so I'm hoping some teams know of some.

Thanks!

[ttldomination]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge8AA...9&feature=plcp

We had a long base 4wd with a set of omnis in the back. Obviously if it worked with long, then it'll turn fine on a wide drive base.

- Sunny G.

Originally Posted by ttldomination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge8AA...9&feature=plcp

We had a long base 4wd with a set of omnis in the back. Obviously if it worked with long, then it'll turn fine on a wide drive base.

- Sunny G.

Thanks!

[EricH]

Originally Posted by ttldomination

We had a long base 4wd with a set of omnis in the back. Obviously if it worked with long, then it'll turn fine on a wide drive base.

- Sunny G.

Too well, possibly.

A wide wheel base won't have nearly as much trouble turning as a long base anyway. Just go with 4 tractions/lunacy wheels if you're doing a wide base; adding omnis could result in too much turnability.

Originally Posted by EricH

Too well, possibly.

A wide wheel base won't have nearly as much trouble turning as a long base anyway. Just go with 4 tractions/lunacy wheels if you're doing a wide base; adding omnis could result in too much turnability.

Our problem is we want to extend the wheels out a bit farther, and our wide robot already has a larger wheel base than our long 6 WD.

[PayneTrain]

Exxperiment with omnis and tractions in opposite corners.

O---------T
l----------l
l----------l
T---------O

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

Exxperiment with omnis and tractions in opposite corners.

O---------T
l----------l
l----------l
T---------O

This seems interesting, but I don't see why it's any better than tractions in front and omnis in the back.

[PayneTrain]

The benefit will lie in turning.

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

The benefit will lie in turning.

Your wording makes we want to test that right now. I think we'll possibly stick to using *gulp* Lunacy wheels. They fit our needs, and we'll be able to keep our bot the way it is without changing too much right now.

[ttldomination]

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256

This seems interesting, but I don't see why it's any better than tractions in front and omnis in the back.

One thing that the team felt in 2010 (the video above) was a significant amount of fishtailing. With the wide base, perhaps you'll feel a significant amount of that compounded with increased sensitivity.

With the setup that PayneTrain has suggested, notice that there is no real point about which the robot can fish tail. It forges stability into a potentially unstable design all while distributing the weight over omni wheels and traction wheels.

- Sunny G.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256

I need to prove to my mentor that 1 set of omni wheels and 1 set of traction wheels will make really good turning for our wide-based robot. Does anyone have any videos/pictures (vids preferable) of robots that fit this description?

I already searched on CD and Google for a while and found nothing, so I'm hoping some teams know of some.

Thanks!

This is probably wrong actually. If you have a wide base robot, and you're powering all wheels, you should have 0 issues with wheel scrub while turning.

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

This is probably wrong actually. If you have a wide base robot, and you're powering all wheels, you should have 0 issues with wheel scrub while turning.

We are currently using the new 6" wheels in the kit, and using the spacing provided. While we turn, we don't maneuver/turn as well as we'd like to. FURTHERMORE, the main reason we're looking into this is because we want to move our wheels out a bit more so we have a bit more stability for the robot, thus making it even harder to turn, especially with the 4" AM plaction wheels we will be using as of tomorrow.

Officially, I can't say it's bad, since we didn't test on carpet. However, we tested on pretty slick concrete that may have been even easier than carpet, and that's what scared me. We will test on real carpet tomorrow.

[Squeakypig]

1 set of omnis and 1 set of tractions...after seeing other people's comments, I have further understood what you have meant...

But I had to post what I was thinking - I introduce to you, the magic of Nanodrive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTyX...eature=related

Originally Posted by Squeakypig

1 set of omnis and 1 set of tractions...after seeing other people's comments, I have further understood what you have meant...

But I had to post what I was thinking - I introduce to you, the magic of Nanodrive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTyX...eature=related

I love that robot. It's one of my favorites on my playlists (Anything 148, really). While I love the drive, it's a little complex for us right now, and especially for this late in the season.

Thanks for the post, though!

[thefro526]

Check out this video of 1918 in 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGTwp...eature=related

Some of their other videos show them using standard 2008-ish Kit wheels on the end instead of Omnis. I'd contact someone on their team and see if they're willing to share their experiences with you.