TEAM FALLING APART! HELP!

[Rockey]

Our head coach from previous years was unable to commit his entire time this year. He agreed to mentor on a limited basis. Sense then he has redefined his role many times from not wanting to be involved at all to requiring every detail be done his way. He is the tech Ed teacher so the rooms that we use are his; the equipment is in his area. He has held the room and machines and even our robot hostage, that we cannot touch the robot until all of his demands are met. We have attempted to talk to him on numerous occasions. He can never seem to hear us. Logic appears to have gone out the window and been replaced by power and control issues. In theory some of his ideas would work, if we had a larger team, with more students and mentors. It seems that he has forgotten that the mentors we have are volunteering their time and that it is supposed to be fun learning experience for the students.
He wants every part designed in CAD, but we only have a few students that know how to use CAD. We have never used CAD in the past, (when he was the head coach) but we’ve always built it just fine. We don’t even have anything ready to build because we have spent all our time on CAD.
He is also demanding that the room be spotless every night. we understand that it is important to keep a clean and organized work area, but we have kept the room clean.The only things out on the tables is something that is currently being worked on. Before the room had to be spotless we had gotten complements on how clean the room was from a teacher that shares part of the room for a class (we were not very clean or organized when he was the head coach).


It is now week 3 and we have very basic cad drawings done and have just started cutting the frame. But because things have not gone his way, he has locked up the frame and we cannot make progress on that. The students come in with their heads hung low. It has become more of a job than a fun experience. Some mentors have left because of the situation.
He has indicated many times that we will do things his way or we will go to competition with a box full of parts. For the first time, our team is in a better position financially and we have more parents ready to help. But we are farther behind than ever before.
We understand that if word gets out we risk losing potential sponsors and future mentors.
We have started talking to district administration and the school principal, but if things do not happen we will be forced to move away from the school and try to build the robot in a mentors garage.

[nitneylion452]

The route you have taken of contacting the principal of the school is a good one, but if that doesn't work, you may need to strike against him. Don't show up to build sessions, don't go to the competition. You also need to make it clear that you don't need him to be a successful team. Tell him that he is not the nucleus of the team (even if that may not be the case.) You have someone who is "drunk with power" because your team gave him the impression that he is absolutely necessary to the building process.

[Stormcloud22]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

The route you have taken of contacting the principal of the school is a good one, but if that doesn't work, you may need to strike against him. Don't show up to build sessions, don't go to the competition.

I have to disagree here. I agree that asking the principal is a good idea, and you should try to negotiate before giving up on him as a mentor completely.

But please, PLEASE, do not give up on the competition and your robot just because of this obstacle! All a strike will do is cause him to say "Your loss", and give up on the whole thing! You can still build a robot, even if it's in a mentor's garage and even if you have to beg, borrow, or steal (well, maybe not steal) parts and mentors from other teams or area businesses. You can do it, with or without your mentor. It's his choice whether he wants to help you build your robot, but you can do it regardless.

Best of luck!

[Grim Tuesday]

It seems to me that this teacher has more serious issues than just your team. If anyone can ignore the social ques that the students and mentors of the team are sending him, they need serious help.

Our team is in a similar situation when it comes to facilities: We take up a full four tech rooms at our school, all of which are used in regular classes. They must all be spotless at the end of the night, and this is not too hard of a task to perform. We have a closet that we stuff everything into at the end, so if you budget 15 minutes every night for cleanup, you should be fine.

We also do design every part in CAD before making it. However, our CAD team is 10+ strong, and all are competent. It works for us, but CAD is not for all teams. If your coach/mentor/adviser doesn't understand this, like I said before, he has some serious issues.

Finally, what student positions do you have on the team? Is there a student president/captain? Is there a lead mentor? If so, either or both of these people need to talk to your coach and immediately have, for lack of better wording, an intervention. Talk to him, and figure out why he wants all of this this way. Try to logic him out of his crazy ways.

If he can not see the logic in doing the right thing, or he can not convince you to his side, it is time for more drastic action. You need to be talking with district admin and your principal all this time about this situation, but be prepared to finish the robot in your mentors garage. Good luck.


EDIT: By striking against him, you prove he has the most power. Prove to him that you [the students and mentors] run the team, and not him. Don't strike, he will assume you are being lazy. Show your passion, and maybe he will bend.

EDIT2X: Where are you located? If you need any help with anything, I'm sure a local team could take you in, if not provide you with any sort of other support you may need.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

By striking against him, you prove he has the most power. Prove to him that you [the students and mentors] run the team, and not him. Don't strike, he will assume you are being lazy. Show your passion, and maybe he will bend.

Striking is often the way that a majority can overcome a minority that either has power or delusions of it. By striking, the team says that they aren't going to take any more of it. If a full-out strike isn't really what you want to do, you can do a sit in strike, where you come in, but do nothing; or you could do a slow down strike where you work at a much slower pace than usual. These are only suggestions. Naturally you want to compete, so moving to a mentor's garage may be your ultimate best bet, at least until the school administration takes action.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

Striking is often the way that a majority can overcome a minority that either has power or delusions of it. By striking, the team says that they aren't going to take any more of it. If a full-out strike isn't really what you want to do, you can do a sit in strike, where you come in, but do nothing; or you could do a slow down strike where you work at a much slower pace than usual. These are only suggestions. Naturally you want to compete, so moving to a mentor's garage may be your ultimate best bet, at least until the school administration takes action.

I feel like a strike only works on a commercial or industrial setting, where the management has opposing interests to the workers. In this case, you have the same goals, so working slowly compromises your goals as well as angers him.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

I feel like a strike only works on a commercial or industrial setting, where the management has opposing interests to the workers. In this case, you have the same goals, so working slowly compromises your goals as well as angers him.

This is true. In this case, we lack a conflict of interests, but we do have dissent among the workers. Like I said, the ultimate solution will be when the school administration takes action, but if all of their equipment is in this teacher's room, it will be awful hard to pack up and leave to go to a mentor's garage.

[EricH]

Couple of things:

First, I'd like to point you over towards FAHA, where all questions are anonymous by default. It's slower than the general forum, however, so I understand some urgency.

Second, the first thing I would have suggested is going to the administration. You've done that, so the only thing I can suggest is that the entire team (not just one segment), including the teacher if possible, take a couple days off. No work on the robot, no work on anything robotics related, aside from what I'm about to suggest. The team (including the teacher) should take the time to think about why they're doing FIRST Robotics Competition. What are the team's goals? What is the team's mentor agreement? (And is this teacher bound by that mentor agreement?)

Other than that time off and thinking, let the administration work. If need be, make sure they understand the need for an expedient solution to this problem--if they don't have a resolution in a matter of days, there's a distinct chance that the entire team disappears before competition, which does not reflect well upon the school.

[fox46]

Striking will not help in this situation. Your teacher has become frustrated that things are not being done his way- regardless of whether this is the right or wrong way. At this point it is clear that he blames the students for the problems you are experiencing and as such would LOVE to see you guys walk out to validate what he percieves to be the problem.

First of all, the shop is not *HIS*. He is merely an employee of the board- he does not own the equipment and resources in your school. Contacting your administration is the right way to go. What would *I* do next?

Work with your mentors and sponsors. Explain the situation if they are not already aware of it, then move everything - and I mean everything robotics related off-site to your mentor's garage. Have another teacher or the administration let you into the room and collect all your equipment. There is a magical key known as a cordless drill which can defeat nearly any lock! If it can't then it's friend- the bolt cutter, will. Your teacher will quickly get the message and he will then have to make the judgment call as to whether he's with you or against you. In any case, it doesn't matter- you will be free to work off-site as you please.

Keep in mind that (I am making an assumption here) he's not the one who paid the entry fee. You have sponsors who expect to see something for the money they have contributed. Explain to him that you have a duty to deliver a product and his actions have prevented you from doing so. Appologize for removing the equipment but explain that you felt it was necessary in order to continue with the project.

So your first step, contacing the admin is complete. Work with your mentors to see if you can find another place to work on it. Working off-site can be the best thing for a team- you can often work 24hrs a day, 7 days a week. One of my teams works exclusively out of a sponsor's shop which allows us to run work sessions any time of day, any day of the week. Last weekend we worked until 4am Sunday morning- try doing that at a school!

[RogerR]

I've been a team member, a technical mentor, and now a teacher. I've been a student, a college kid, and now a husband. I've been everything scout to Lead Mentor. With the exception of the position of principle/administration/school board, I've seen every side of this coin before. With all of that experience under my belt, Kim's advice is the best on this thread. It’s the most likely to quickly and successfully resolve the situation. Trying to turn this into some sort of 'you vs. him' conflict will only further slow any progress, and end up with someone walking away from the team insulted and uninspired.

Now that I'm a teacher, I realize how much work it is to make sure a team can exist. It takes a huge amount of time, effort, and personal money to keep it going. Very rarely will students (or even other mentors) see this. After the lights go out, I'm still here calling vendors, processing invoices, filling out POs, badgering FIRST HQ, firing emails to potential and current sponsors, filling out school board paperwork, defending the teams existence to the administration, and cleaning up the bits of flotsam that the team missed (not included: all the regular teaching duties). On the one day (or two, occasionally) a week I have off, I spend most of the afternoon picking up supplies and running errands.

My team this year has been great; they've been safe, clean, respectful, dedicated, thorough, and gracious. My family has been supportive, forgiving, and helpful. With the support of both team and family, I've been able to push a lot harder than in years past, however, it’s still unbelievably stressful. Based on the original post, I doubt the teacher has either of these, and that makes robotics season for him overwhelming and frustrating.

If you want to get him back on the same page, try and find out what he needs help with, and help him. Even if you don't agree with his methods, he wants you and the rest of the team to succeed. Talk to him, listen to him (as Kim said), and work with him. You're all on the same team, unless you make it otherwise.

Originally Posted by fox46

...First of all, the shop is not *HIS*. He is merely an employee of the board- he does not own the equipment and resources in your school. Contacting your administration is the right way to go. What would *I* do next?

Originally Posted by fox46

Work with your mentors and sponsors. Explain the situation if they are not already aware of it, then move everything - and I mean everything robotics related off-site to your mentor's garage. Have another teacher or the administration let you into the room and collect all your equipment. There is a magical key known as a cordless drill which can defeat nearly any lock! If it can't then it's friend- the bolt cutter, will. Your teacher will quickly get the message and he will then have to make the judgment call as to whether he's with you or against you. In any case, it doesn't matter- you will be free to work off-site as you please...

DON'T DO THIS!

The morning after you do this, your team would cease to exist, and in all likelihood, you might be facing criminal charges. And while he might not "own" the tools, materials, or workspace (though he probably does own or has paid for some of it), it is his responsibility. Theft and destruction of property do not bode well for a team’s future.

TL,DR: You're all on the same team. Don't fight with him, listen to him, and then try to figure out where your differences lie. And don't break into the school and steal stuff.

[rsegrest]

RodgerR and Kim hit it right on the head. Please try to find out what changed for this mentor.

Depending on what state you are in the educational system is going through some major upheavals right now. I am a tech-ed teacher and in my state our jobs are under fire every day. We are having to justify our existence and what we teach. It may be that behind the scenes your coach/mentor is facing the same issues. Pile on top of that any family issues you may not be aware of and things just continue to stack on top of each other until your mentor is overwhelmed and feels the need to have absolute control over just one area of his life.

I am the only coach for a 25 person team that has limited funding and only one mentor. Last spring (right at the beginning of build season) my mother-in-law was diagnosed with cancer and I can tell you that there was a definate difference in how I felt and as much as I tried not to let everything bleed together I know that it did. The kids knew and were extremely supportive (as best as teenagers who are in the midst of robot season can be).

Definately reach out to other teams in your area for help. Especially if there are established teams with long-time coaches/mentors. Maybe they can help give guidance or talk to your coach.

Good luck and keep your heads held high. Even if things don't go well at competition you are learning extremely valuable lessons about interpersonal communication and how to solve on-the-job problems.

[Mr. Van]

FOLLOW KIM'S ADVICE!!!

Follow Rodger's advice to FOLLOW KIM'S ADVICE!!!

If you can find out what is motivating your coach, you will almost certainly be able to improve the situation.

-Mr. Van
Coach, Robodox

[Brandon Holley]

Kim and Roger have this pretty locked down.

One thing I would also advise is not to approach the administration until you've reached a stalemate with all other solutions. Going above someones head often leads to a very abrupt change which could create even more tension.

Good luck.

-Brando

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

One thing I would also advise is not to approach the administration until you've reached a stalemate with all other solutions. Going above someones head often leads to a very abrupt change which could create even more tension.

A little late for that advice, Brandon. The administration is already involved. Hopefully they can simply act as a mediator/moderator (which can help facilitate talking).

[aeniug2]

My team has been in a very similar situation for the last two years, and it sucked. We were cutting c-channel holding hack saw blades with our bare hands because we weren't allowed to use "dangerous" tools, and it was all we could sneak in...

We just kept on trying to have a positive outlook, we kept doing whatever we could to have a positive presence in the school. And eventually, the principal found out that we existed!

We met with various teachers, and eventually one agreed to help out.
He's the graphics design and the wood shop teacher, which means we have gone from using broken hand tools that we smuggled in, to using CNC machines and drill presses.

The best thing you can do is just keep trying to make it better, bit by bit, just keep showing everyone that you'r still alive and kicking... If you can hang in there things can always get better.

Now, I don't personally know your teacher person, so this might not work for you... But I would recommend just standing up to him and letting him know what FIRST is really about.

Like many others have asked, where are you located? I'm sure my team would be more than willing to lend a helping hand.

Also, Kim's advice is great.