FIRST Team 1501's worlds first three robot stack

[Wayne Doenges]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/teamthr...in/photostream
Thank you Team 1756 for the assist and Team 4028 for being so trusting. We couldn't have done it without you.
No really, we couldn't have

[vhcook]

That is truly a splendid thing. Did 1756 go up first, and is there a place where we might see video?

[Pirkey]

I'm pretty sure that's our teams bumper sticking up in the bottom of the picture. We tipped two of our alliance's robots over (including our own) by trying to triple balance. We'll have to work on that for Milwaukee. Congratulations guys on winning Boilermaker!

[Wayne Doenges]

Originally Posted by Pirkey

I'm pretty sure that's our teams bumper sticking up in the bottom of the picture. We tipped two of our alliance's robots over (including our own) by trying to triple balance. We'll have to work on that for Milwaukee. Congratulations guys on winning Boilermaker!

You can see those pictures on Flickr under "2012 - Boilermaker Regional"

[Wayne Doenges]

Originally Posted by Pirkey

I'm pretty sure that's our teams bumper sticking up in the bottom of the picture. We tipped two of our alliance's robots over (including our own) by trying to triple balance. We'll have to work on that for Milwaukee. Congratulations guys on winning Boilermaker!

Do you mean this one?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/teamthr...in/photostream
I'm sorry I couldn't resist. You fought a great fight.
Good luck a Milwaukee.

[Ninjaspanky]

Wayne,

Is there any way you can send me a link of that picture of our three robots balancing? No one got a good picture of it from our school, but we'd really like to show it off.

[Wayne Doenges]

The sequence of events;
1) Team 1756 goes on to the bridge first followed closely by Team 4028. We continue shooting and scoring
2) The two on the bridge tip the bridge away from us.
3) We pull under the lip of the bridge while they tip the bridge back on top of our Fantail.
4) Team 4028 drives onto our Flight Deck.
5) We back away with 4028 on top of us. We only loose contact with the bridge once.
6) Team 1756 tips the bridge towards us and we climb on behind them. All the time 4028 is driving toward our tower to keep them in place in case we over balance the bridge.
7) BALANCE 3!!!
Easy peasy lemom squeasy

[qzrrbz]

Doesn't the G30-1 rule have an issue with this sequence? It's the "lose contact once" part that might be problematic. Another rule added after kickoff...

[G30-1]

A Robot may only be supported (fully or partially) by another Robot if one of the Robots is in contact with a Bridge.

Violation: Technical Foul for extended, strategic, or repeated loss of contact.

[IndySam]

The head refs were told that momentary loss of contact with the bridge was consistent with the spirit of the rule and was OK.

[Wayne Doenges]

Originally Posted by qzrrbz

Doesn't the G30-1 rule have an issue with this sequence? It's the "lose contact once" part that might be problematic. Another rule added after kickoff...

[G30-1]

A Robot may only be supported (fully or partially) by another Robot if one of the Robots is in contact with a Bridge.

Violation: Technical Foul for extended, strategic, or repeated loss of contact.

GDC said "Repeated lose of contact". If you loose contact only once, then it's not Repeated.

[qzrrbz]

Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges

GDC said "Repeated lose of contact". If you loose contact only once, then it's not Repeated.

Call me a hardnose, but I'd have ruled against you. I'd suggest that it is "strategic" loss of contact here -- strategy is to get on top of the bridge, you have to back away and allow the bridge to swing down, and then engage the bridge in order to do that. Sounds "strategic" to me.

At the moment I think you're starring in "A Robot Named Desire", depending upon the kindness of strangers.

I love cool ideas as much as the next guy, but I'd make one suggestion -- get legal. Get legal in the letter of the law. Look at my affiliation, we have some experience in this area. :-) I'm the mentor tasked with knowing the rules letter by letter. Yes, I was around "that year".

At worst case, with the current situation and a hardnose ref, you will take a 9 point foul for a 40 point success. Sounds modestly ok. However, do you have any length to give? Is your flight deck 14" out from the frame perimeter? If not, how about leaving a feeler out on the bridge -- something expendable even, a plastic straw, anything remaining in touch with the bridge as it articulates. The naysayers can go say ni somewhere else at that point. Just a thought!

[Dancin103]

Does anyone have video of this?!? I'd love to see it in action!

Thanks.

[touchdownjesus4]

Originally Posted by Dancin103

Does anyone have video of this?!? I'd love to see it in action!

Thanks.

Hopefully watchFIRSTnow on youtube will have the elimination rounds up in the next couple days. They have 47 of the qualification rounds currently up. I really want to see a video too. I know that some of our team were taking videos in the stands but we have yet to upload them I think.

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by qzrrbz

Call me a hardnose, but I'd have ruled against you. I'd suggest that it is "strategic" loss of contact here -- strategy is to get on top of the bridge, you have to back away and allow the bridge to swing down, and then engage the bridge in order to do that. Sounds "strategic" to me.

At the moment I think you're starring in "A Robot Named Desire", depending upon the kindness of strangers.

I love cool ideas as much as the next guy, but I'd make one suggestion -- get legal. Get legal in the letter of the law. Look at my affiliation, we have some experience in this area. :-) I'm the mentor tasked with knowing the rules letter by letter. Yes, I was around "that year".

At worst case, with the current situation and a hardnose ref, you will take a 9 point foul for a 40 point success. Sounds modestly ok. However, do you have any length to give? Is your flight deck 14" out from the frame perimeter? If not, how about leaving a feeler out on the bridge -- something expendable even, a plastic straw, anything remaining in touch with the bridge as it articulates. The naysayers can go say ni somewhere else at that point. Just a thought!

OK hardnose Only the head ref can make this call and they have been told that it is legal so there is no need for them to "get legal"

[qzrrbz]

Sure would be nice to see that in writing, though. All I'm saying. Some independent agreement reached by whatever means falls short of "public knowledge" as appearing in the canon of the game.

It's still a cool idea. Rack and Roll, we built a double lift bot with an aircraft carrier sized flight deck, one of my favorite bots...

Good luck!