Best Fender shooters

[stingray27]

Hey guys,

At the beginning of the season, everyone thought that the 3 point basket was going to win the matches. Plenty thought that if you could score effectively in the 3 point range, then you would win. But over the weeks I have noticed that there are quite a bit of very good fender shooters. Although they could be defended easily, more time is freed up by shooting quickly then leaving. In addition, due to normal probability, making 3 point shots for some teams may end up being the same amount of points as shooting 2 point shots with higher accuracy.

In MSC, MAR or the Championship itself, will fender bots be a contender? In addition, what fender robots are the best out there? We have heard a lot about the 3 point shooters, but what about the 2 pointers? And if they still indeed are contenders, what is the best way to defeat these teams?

[EricH]

What about the fender 3-point shooters?

[stingray27]

Originally Posted by EricH

What about the fender 3-point shooters?

Sorry, I meant to add 3 point fender shooters in there as well. That is a very good point.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by EricH

What about the fender 3-point shooters?

1985 comes to mind.

But they are not in Michigan. And I think that MSC is going to be a tough event for fender shooters. We will see smart defense force the shooters to hug the key.

[ChristopherSD]

548's cool. I also enjoyed playing a match with 1504 in Detroit.

[Andrew Remmers]

1592 and 801 her in Florida

[Walter Deitzler]

How to defend against fender shooters?

1. Sit in front of the fender, so they cannot fender shoot
2. As they line up for the shot, hit them to make them unaligned. Then they either miss, or have to realign. Repeat

[Gray Adams]

Originally Posted by LedLover96

How to defend against fender shooters?

1. Sit in front of the fender, so they cannot fender shoot
2. As they line up for the shot, hit them to make them unaligned. Then they either miss, or have to realign. Repeat

It takes a little bit of practice to hit them so they become unaligned. It can be difficult to push a traction bot sideways sometimes. It's better to hit the side of the bot so that you spin them in place, rather than dead on in the side which does very little.

The subtleties of body checking are the best!

[MrForbes]

It was fun watching 842 shoot 3s from the corner at the end of the fender at the AZ regional. And when they encountered defense, they just scooted back to the key and shot 3s from there.

[roystur44]

Originally Posted by Gray Adams

It takes a little bit of practice to hit them so they become unaligned. It can be difficult to push a traction bot sideways sometimes. It's better to hit the side of the bot so that you spin them in place, rather than dead on in the side which does very little.

The subtleties of body checking are the best!

Just need to make sure your frame is up to the punishment and you contact in the bumper zone or else a G27 will get you.

We had a problem with robots wheelie the front of the their bot and riding up our bumpers thus contacting our inside frame perimeter real hard. The refs didn't call it but it was a obvious foul. I hope the refs watch for G27 in Champs.

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[Gray Adams]

Originally Posted by roystur44

Just need to make sure your frame is up to the punishment and you contact in the bumper zone or else a G27 will get you.

We had a problem with robots wheelie the front of the their bot and riding up our bumpers thus contacting our inside frame perimeter real hard. The refs didn't call it but it was a obvious foul. I hope the refs watch for G27 in Champs.

That's an unfortunate consequence of this year's bumper rules. You can't reasonably except two sets of bumpers, one at max height and one at min height, to not slide past each other when heavy contact occurs. Even when their isn't a wheelie, the 2" of contact between bumpers isn't going to prevent the higher bumpers from getting on top.

If you're worried about your frame, you can just raise your bumpers to be in the middle of the bumper zone. But I know the purpose of low bumpers is to give you an advantage while pushing, because your wheels don't come off the ground as much. So when you're in a pushing match with a robot with higher bumpers, you are fully expecting their robot's wheels to come off the ground a bit, giving you an advantage. But with that measly 2" of bumper contact in the first place, you're also deliberately deciding to risk contact within the frame perimeter.

[roystur44]

Originally Posted by Gray Adams

I But I know the purpose of low bumpers is to give you an advantage while pushing, because your wheels don't come off the ground as much. So when you're in a pushing match with a robot with higher bumpers,.

The main reason we put the bumpers as low as possible is because it makes the over the bumper ball pickup easier and helps prevent the balls from going under the chassis. We build our robots as close to the ground as possible to maintain a low COG.

[Gray Adams]

Originally Posted by roystur44

The main reason we put the bumpers as low as possible is because it makes the over the bumper ball pickup easier and helps prevent the balls from going under the chassis. We build our robots as close to the ground as possible to maintain a low COG.

I'm clearly not going to argue that's not why you have your bumpers so low, but I heard the note about pushing from one of the other mentors on your team while we were at SVR.

[O.S.S. King]

1714 - Teams like this that could score very effectively from the key and fender proved to be very effective. the only thing better would be a team that can score 100% from key or fender.

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by LedLover96

How to defend against fender shooters?

1. Sit in front of the fender, so they cannot fender shoot
2. As they line up for the shot, hit them to make them unaligned. Then they either miss, or have to realign. Repeat

If you guys want to force two of your robots spend most of the match crossing the field and sitting on both sides of the fender to shut down our shooting, go right ahead.