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Pre-Scouting of all Divisions

I created a google doc earlier today for the curie division to get data on the teams in the division along with photos of each robot.

I have now created one for each division, I have filled out some of the information on some of the teams that I know off hand to give an idea of how this works. I have also filled in all of the OPR and triple balance information. Feel free to fill in any missing information and fix any incorrect data.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jblay again.


Thanks for organizing this, Joe! See you next week bud.
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Thanks for organizing this, Joe! See you next week bud.
I hope these help teams specifically with knowledge on robot dimensions, Thursday is going to be a rough day and hopefully this helps make it easier for some people.

I'm pretty excited to be on Curie with you Stogi, hopefully we get a match with your team at some point.
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I hope these help teams specifically with knowledge on robot dimensions, Thursday is going to be a rough day and hopefully this helps make it easier for some people.
Awesome. Awesome Awesome Awesome. Thanks so much for this, you're the best .
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Re: Pre-Scouting of all Divisions

Hey Joe, I know this may be a lot of work but, any chance you can throw into the spreadsheets the team names and average OPR?

It may be helpful as I know that I often can't remember a team number but the name jumps out to me.
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I tried editing it yesterday, but it didn't seem for it to work. Don't you have to share the document with specific people to allow them to edit it? Or is it public?
The spreadsheet is public; it only needs to be shared with specific collaborators if you want people's emails to appear as their names (instead of Anonymous User ###).

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Hey Joe, I know this may be a lot of work but, any chance you can throw into the spreadsheets the team names and average OPR?
Added, along with CCWM. All data displayed is courtesy of team 2834.
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Re: Pre-Scouting of all Divisions

The OPR used; how is it calculated? By this I mean, how does the Co-Op bridge play into it? Is it the teams best event or an average? I would suggest using 1114's with the teams best event but I suppose it's up to you guys. I just think that best/latest event is the best measure of how good a team will be at Championships.
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Re: Pre-Scouting of all Divisions

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The OPR used; how is it calculated? By this I mean, how does the Co-Op bridge play into it? Is it the teams best event or an average? I would suggest using 1114's with the teams best event but I suppose it's up to you guys. I just think that best/latest event is the best measure of how good a team will be at Championships.
The OPR that is used in these spreadsheets is from 2834's spreadsheet. It assigns each alliance 5 points per CP earned in the match. This gives each alliance 10 points if a full coop is preformed (5 for a non-balanced coop) which is like half of a double balance that the teams could each be attempting if they didn't go for a coop.

I agree that most recent data is most relevant, but for an impartial objective spreadsheet that is shared by multiple teams, it is probably better to go by overall data, rather than deciding to ignore some data, and presenting it to other teams.
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I can't believe how quickly these forms are being filled out. Curie already has all 100 teams orientation's filled out which was the original and main purpose of these sheets.
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Crowd sourcing is awesome. What would you say to a column with "2012 record", "highest finish" and "highest draft position"?
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Crowd sourcing is awesome. What would you say to a column with "2012 record", "highest finish" and "highest draft position"?
IMHO, it's more of a "novelty" - something that would be nice to know, but wouldn't be particularly critical to scouting (and would in turn clutter the spreadsheet), because such records are highly dependent on the environment and because most, if not all teams, will be making additions and/or changes to their robot that will change their comparative performance.

If someone were to do it, though, I don't think it would be particularly hard. I believe that Ed Law's database already contains data like that sorted by team (although it may not be cumulative, but rather per regional/district).

If you want to do it yourself, the gist of the process I used was to first sort the data into columns of text values (I had to create columns of the original values, and then input =TEXT(<cellref>,0) to do this), and then use VLOOKUP with a list of teams in said division to look up the corresponding stats.


There is one thing I'd like to make a note of though. While I understand that everyone wants to contribute as much as they can to these spreadsheets - which is exactly what we want, after all - I've had to revert a number of changes (to the formulas that summarize/filter the data) recently, because the editor didn't properly assess the changes they made. Because of this, I'm requesting that people please refrain from editing the formulas in the current spreadsheets until they have tested the formula in a duplicate worksheet to ensure that it properly works.

That being said, I really am amazed by how fast this has gone - once we figured out a way to display which teams didn't have data entered, the data for those teams was filled in within less than a day!

As an aside about TFA, I'd just like to say that although it was a bit tricky to work with, it really helped me with adding OPR and CCWM to the spreadsheet.
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By bridge balance assister, the primary device for this is a stinger. 1501's platform is also included. Just as a general question, should anything that aids balancing be counted? My specific notions are to drive brakes and a swerve drive being able to shift their wheels perpendicular to the bridge to avoid sliding.

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Re: Pre-Scouting of all Divisions

This is great! where did the data come from?
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One other thing that might be worth noting is that some robots (see 4334 and 4001) are significantly shorter than a wide robot at ~21". Perhaps they could be labelled under-size bot.
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One other thing that might be worth noting is that some robots (see 4334 and 4001) are significantly shorter than a wide robot at ~21". Perhaps they could be labelled under-size bot.
Also, some long bots (like us) aren't the full 38 inches. Perhaps add a collumn for actual dimensions? Either way, thank you for this.
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