Shooting Vs. Time hanging 30

[RonnieS]

I am going through strategies and want YOUR opinion. Is it worth going for the 30 point hang if you have a great shooter? Considering space for shooter and climbing, what would YOU do???

[MARS_James]

If you have a great shooter and have space for an effective 30 point hanger I see no reason why you wouldn't

[RonnieS]

What would you consider a "good shooter"? You can easily go for a 10 pt hang and get it in under 2 seconds but if you go for a 30 point hang and it takes about 20 seconds, would it be better to shoot to match those points? Maybe auto coming into play?

[waialua359]

I would compare this to last season.
Do you try the 3 robot balance, or focus on shooting more baskets to try and win the match (with 1 or 2 robots balancing) during eliminations.

[RonnieS]

Originally Posted by waialua359

I would compare this to last season.
Do you try the 3 robot balance, or focus on shooting more baskets to try and win the match (with 1 or 2 robots balancing) during eliminations.

Very true too, do you think there will be a large number of teams that can do a 30pt hang in under 15 seconds?

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Ronnie314

Very true too, do you think there will be a large number of teams that can do a 30pt hang in under 15 seconds?

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

[RonnieS]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

I feel like i remember your name for some reason, it is really sticking in my head! But a lot of teams might not attempt but really a 10pt hang will be the easiest thing in this game if you do it right, beside for just driving around of course.

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

The manual says 68 degrees not 60....

Depends on how you look at it.

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

I disagree considering how easy it is to climb the first level.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Ronnie314

I feel like i remember your name for some reason, it is really sticking in my head! But a lot of teams might not attempt but really a 10pt hang will be the easiest thing in this game if you do it right, beside for just driving around of course.

Might be http://d.pr/i/zwM

Last year if you had a drive train you could have balanced if someone let a bridge down for you... Yet in almost 60% of matches NO ONE balanced.

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Might be http://d.pr/i/zwM

Last year if you had a drive train you could have balanced if someone let a bridge down for you... Yet in almost 60% of matches NO ONE balanced.

...and yet we let bridges down for lots of people and didn't get a balance with them at Buckeye...

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by pfreivald

...and yet we let bridges down for lots of people and didn't get a balance with them at Buckeye...

Proving my point that teams seem to have this lack of ability to do even the simplest tasks reliably.

[RonnieS]

Not that they cant, they dont have the coaching to help and guide them towards that. Teams these days try to do the hardest tasks without realizing there ability might not go beyond the simple things.

[mrnoble]

FIRST provides evidence that many of us are optimists. I predict matches in the single digits and low doubles for the majority of regional seeding matches.

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

If it's any help, I think that less than less than 10% of FIRST teams will be able to outscore a 30pt hang using a 10 pt hang and disc pts accumulated during the last 30 seconds, and only 40% of teams will be able to outscore a 20pt hang during the last 30 seconds with discs and a 10pt.

If you can 30pt hang, (for most regions) that will automatically win you 60% of your qualifying matches. That's why it's so restrictive to 30pt hang this year; because it's so valuable.

[Bill_B]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Proving my point that teams seem to have this lack of ability to do even the simplest tasks reliably.

This is a quite pervasive characteristic of teenagers in general. Reliable behavior is not highly valued as being too predictable. "Who? Me? Conform to the norm? Get outta here, Grandpa!" A primary value of FRC is providing an activity that demonstrates that reliability and predictability are worthwhile goals.