Go to Post Iteration is a necessary but not sufficient criteria to being a powerhouse team. - Chris is me [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Regional Competitions
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 05:25
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Event Predictions

Not quite a Car Knack thang but sorta.
Things I expect to see at the 8 event I go to this season:

I expect to see a half dozen to a dozen robot have their day ended from a topple from the third level to the floor. I am actually planning ahead for this and will have eight backups on standby to prepare for this. Last year I went through alot of robots (with Alamo having to go to five backups. Though to be fair a couple of them packed up and left) and the bridge wasn't nowhere as brutal as the pyramid can be.

Unfortunately I expect to see either a volunteer, member of a robot drives team or most likely a guest get severely injured by a game piece. I have seen several people get hit by game pieces over the years and mostly its pretty benign when it happens. Poof balls and inner tubes don't really hurt (and I've seen a ref take a point blank shot to the face with a soccer ball hard enough to knock his glasses off but he was relatively unhurt). In fact I think FIRST should give serious consideration to limiting VIP access to the field due to the amount of danger from the flying disc and how far too often the VIP are a little too loose with how aware they are when they are at the field (they should keep their kids strictly under control when they bring them out the field. We had one kid in DC make a run for the field during the elims right when a robot was coming right to where he was racing to and had to be grabbed by a volunteer. The mom just stood there and watched him go. Not cool). Can't have that this year or someone could end up needing stiches.

I expect to see a TON of G35 penalties. There are teams who don't read the rules in the first place and they certainly don't read up on the updates and many (far far too many) human players are poorly trained because teams underestimate how important a properly functioning human player is to the efficient operation of the drives team.
__________________
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 08:35
Tom Ore Tom Ore is offline
Registered User
FRC #0525 (Swartdogs)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
Posts: 459
Tom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed View Post
...Unfortunately I expect to see either a volunteer, member of a robot drives team or most likely a guest get severely injured by a game piece. ...
I share your concern for safety. These disk will be flying at high speeds and the rules have no direct limit on it. (I guess the inspectors can deem a robot unsafe.) I also wondered about the practice fields - do they all have netting and are people going to be kept back from them? Are belays required for getting robots down from the practice towers?

The high speed spinning wheels could pose a hazard as well - with maybe 1,500 or 2,000 robots having high speed spinning wheels will every one survive the season without a single wheel coming apart at some point. That's one of the main reasons our robot looks like it does. We do a lot of off-season demos with kids packed in near the robot rather closely.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 08:43
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Ore View Post
I share your concern for safety. These disk will be flying at high speeds and the rules have no direct limit on it. (I guess the inspectors can deem a robot unsafe.) I also wondered about the practice fields - do they all have netting and are people going to be kept back from them? Are belays required for getting robots down from the practice towers?

The high speed spinning wheels could pose a hazard as well - with maybe 1,500 or 2,000 robots having high speed spinning wheels will every one survive the season without a single wheel coming apart at some point. That's one of the main reasons our robot looks like it does. We do a lot of off-season demos with kids packed in near the robot rather closely.
The Practice fields are like saloons in the Wild West. I'm amazed there aren't fist fights breaking out. Teams crowd the field and overstay their time limit to make sure their robot is working to their satisfaction not caring one bit about the other teams at the event and certainly not heeding the poor overwhelmed volunteer any mind. It's like they left their GP back in the pit. This year I fear it will be a red zone for potential injures.
__________________
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 08:49
Travis Hoffman's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
Travis Hoffman Travis Hoffman is offline
O-H
FRC #0048 (Delphi E.L.I.T.E.)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Warren, Ohio USA
Posts: 4,045
Travis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond reputeTravis Hoffman has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

This brings to light an important question - should I be watching out for any genius teams who think test firing discs in their pit is a great idea?
__________________

Travis Hoffman, Enginerd, FRC Team 48 Delphi E.L.I.T.E.
Encouraging Learning in Technology and Engineering - www.delphielite.com
NEOFRA - Northeast Ohio FIRST Robotics Alliance - www.neofra.com
NEOFRA / Delphi E.L.I.T.E. FLL Regional Partner
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:10
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman View Post
This brings to light an important question - should I be watching out for any genius teams who think test firing discs in their pit is a great idea?
Most likely.
__________________
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:35
IKE's Avatar
IKE IKE is offline
Not so Custom User Title
AKA: Isaac Rife
no team (N/A)
Team Role: Mechanical
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,147
IKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond reputeIKE has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman View Post
This brings to light an important question - should I be watching out for any genius teams who think test firing discs in their pit is a great idea?
You should be fine in the pits since safety glasses are mandatory.
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:44
Jay O'Donnell's Avatar
Jay O'Donnell Jay O'Donnell is online now
Division by Pirates
FRC #0229 (Division by Zero)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Potsdam, NY/Londonderry, NH
Posts: 1,338
Jay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by IKE View Post
You should be fine in the pits since safety glasses are mandatory.
I feel like this year the 772 hard-hats should be necessary. Practice fields will be similar to a war zone around the pyramids. And of course there'll be that human player throwing frisbees across the field that could seriously hurt someone.
__________________
Student on Team 1058 (2012-2015)
Mentor on Team 229 (2016-Present)
Writer for Blue Alliance Blog
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:48
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Money 1058 View Post
I feel like this year the 772 hard-hats should be necessary. Practice fields will be similar to a war zone around the pyramids. And of course there'll be that human player throwing frisbees across the field that could seriously hurt someone.
It would not surprise me if FIRST mandates drive teams have to wear some sort of helmet on the field.
I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of these.
__________________
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:53
Tom Ore Tom Ore is offline
Registered User
FRC #0525 (Swartdogs)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
Posts: 459
Tom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond reputeTom Ore has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed View Post
It would not surprise me if FIRST mandates drive teams have to wear some sort of helmet on the field.
I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of these.
I'll be a ref for the first time this year - I was thinking of going with one of these
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 09:55
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Ore View Post
I'll be a ref for the first time this year - I was thinking of going with one of these
I laughed so hard my strained neck started hurting again...
__________________
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 13:34
AllenGregoryIV's Avatar
AllenGregoryIV AllenGregoryIV is online now
Engineering Coach
AKA: Allen "JAG" Gregory
FRC #3847 (Spectrum)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,547
AllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to AllenGregoryIV
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Ore View Post
I'll be a ref for the first time this year - I was thinking of going with one of these
I think this might be a better bet.
__________________

Team 647 | Cyber Wolf Corps | Alumni | 2003-2006 | Shoemaker HS
Team 2587 | DiscoBots | Mentor | 2008-2011 | Rice University / Houston Food Bank
Team 3847 | Spectrum | Coach | 2012-20... | St Agnes Academy
LRI | Alamo Regional | 2014-20...
"Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 15:27
eddie12390's Avatar
eddie12390 eddie12390 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Eddie
FRC #3260 (SHARP)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 285
eddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV View Post
I think this might be a better bet.
It's a shame that these aren't currently in stock.
__________________
Any post that I make expresses only my opinions. I do not represent the opinions of my team or of any entity affiliated with my team.

As a Mentor:
2016 - Engineering Inspiration at Greater Pittsburgh Regional

As a Driver:
2014 - Winner of Greater Pittsburgh Regional
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 16:55
JohnFogarty's Avatar
JohnFogarty JohnFogarty is offline
FTC, I have returned.
AKA: @doctorfogarty @GarnetSq
FTC #11444 (Garnet Squadron) & FRC#1102 (M'Aiken Magic)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: SC
Posts: 1,555
JohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond reputeJohnFogarty has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

I don't see why teams wouldn't be intelligent and bring a bedsheet or something of that variety to hold up in front of their shooter when they want to test fire it in the pit. The sheet/blacket/quilt will absorb the energy and the Frisbee just drops. (I've tested this already.) Test fire all you want, just remember to be safe obviously.
__________________
John Fogarty
2010 FTC World Championship Winner & 2013-2014 FRC Orlando Regional Winner
Mentor FRC Team 1102 M'Aiken Magic
"Head Bot Coach" FTC Team 11444 Garnet Squadron
Former Student & Mentor FLL 1102, FTC 1102 & FTC 3864, FRC 1772, FRC 5632
2013 FTC World Championship Guest Speaker
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 10:00
Jay O'Donnell's Avatar
Jay O'Donnell Jay O'Donnell is online now
Division by Pirates
FRC #0229 (Division by Zero)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Potsdam, NY/Londonderry, NH
Posts: 1,338
Jay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond reputeJay O'Donnell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed View Post
It would not surprise me if FIRST mandates drive teams have to wear some sort of helmet on the field.
I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of these.
I'd just like for more safety features to be added before someone gets hurt, rather than after. That old saying applies here, "it's all fun and games til someone gets hurt". To your other prediction about robots falling from the pyramid, I feel like teams that know they have even the smallest chance of falling will not go past 10 points. A fall from the 30 point bar could be fatal.
__________________
Student on Team 1058 (2012-2015)
Mentor on Team 229 (2016-Present)
Writer for Blue Alliance Blog
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-02-2013, 10:04
Koko Ed's Avatar
Koko Ed Koko Ed is online now
Serial Volunteer
AKA: Ed Patterson
FRC #0191 (X-Cats)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Rochester,NY
Posts: 22,921
Koko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond reputeKoko Ed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Event Predictions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Money 1058 View Post
I'd just like for more safety features to be added before someone gets hurt, rather than after. That old saying applies here, "it's all fun and games til someone gets hurt". To your other prediction about robots falling from the pyramid, I feel like teams that know they have even the smallest chance of falling will not go past 10 points. A fall from the 30 point bar could be fatal.
Maybe it'd be a good idea to park a Green shirt by the practice field to keep the peace.
__________________
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 14:24.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi