FIRST Finale Feedback Thread

[Jared Russell]

So what did you think? I can't decide what was the best part: the 45 minute bus ride, being packed like sardines in the halls of the SLSC, the food, or the price!

[Billfred]

I will say the event felt rather oversold and under-mapped for the crowd on hand.

I was glad mine was comped as a volunteer.

[MARS_James]

I arrived at 6:30 and thought it was great, I then went back in with my team at 8:30 and could not believe how many people were shoved in there. I also could not believe how trashed our people made that museum I understand that garbage cans were overflowing but come on we are all Adults/Young Adults.

Also did anyone else feel that the age of the museum was more appropriate for FLL age participants?

[ayeckley]

I had very low expectations going in, yet was still disappointed. I honestly didn't feel safe trying to escort my 11 year-old around without getting trampled, and I'm no sissy for that kind of thing. They are lucky nobody called the Fire Marshall; I suspect it would have gotten shut down on the spot. I've seen some bad organizing in my day, but this was exceptional.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

I arrived at 6:30 and thought it was great, I then went back in with my team at 8:30 and could not believe how many people were shoved in there. I also could not believe how trashed our people made that museum I understand that garbage cans were overflowing but come on we are all Adults/Young Adults.

Also did anyone else feel that the age of the museum was more appropriate for FLL age participants?

I too felt it seemed more geared towards a younger crowd.

To be honest I had trouble even finding trash cans and consider is insane crowds I'm not surprised they were overflowing.

The place was WAY too packed to the extent you really couldn't enjoy your time there you just felt cornered in.

[MagiChau]

Does anyone feel this over crowding was due to the removal of the city musuem and the arch as FIRST Finale options? Last year the science center was a bit crowded but not seem excessively crowded as everyone is describing here.

P.S. Didn't go to Championship this year

[mmavipc]

When I arrived the crowd was like it was a weekend on a holiday at DisneyLand, and the fireworks just started/ended. When I left, there was NO room between people. We're staying at the residence inn, so we got on the bus at Zone 4. The bus driver didn't even know what residence inn was, so after a circleback to the science center, we got off at union station hotel and took a taxi from there.

The science center is pretty small. Let's be conservative and say there was an average of 10 people per team, even though the number was probably double that. 10*400=4000. FIRST, you tried to pack 4k people into a very small space. If a fire had happened, it would be very hard to get out, and some people might not even be able to. FIRST, next time, consult with the safety award sponsor before and after planning the finale.

Edit: Now, this is my personal opinion, but the science center was very boring to me, and just seemed like it'd be a place elementary schoolers would go to.

[kuyan]

It was really packed and the time that we had after the bus drive wasn't really enough to do much. But the planetarium was pretty cool and there was free food. Then again this is my first time attending both World Championships and the FIRST Finale so I don't have anything else to compare to

[Moriarty]

I noticed that outside the planetarium there was a lot of outdoor stuff set up and some FIRST logos... I'm not sure if this was an unrelated event, but I suspect that a major part of the event that would have alleviated much of the indoor guests was rained out which resulted in the excessive amount of people inside.

[thefro526]

Conceptually the Finale was pretty cool with shuttle buses to and from the Science Center, food at various stations, different activities to keep busy, etc.

The problem seems to lie in the fact that Einstein ran late as usual (not a bad thing) and the Finale had the same 6pm start time. This delay combined with the weather made finding a shuttle and getting on pretty hectic and apparently there's a law restricting the pickup and drop-off points for the shuttle buses which meant waiting in the bus for about 25-30 minutes while it moved forward something like 500'.

Once inside the center, it was obvious that there were just too many people. I'm not sure if the weather played a part in this as well, since I'd imagine that some team members would have ended up outside instead of crammed into the center. I was genuinely concerned for my students safety at some points as it was very apparent that there could/would be issues getting everyone out in an emergency. There were also a handful of occasions where I found myself walking extremely close (goes back to the packed in too tight thing) to some younger FIRSTers, possibly FLL/FTC age and felt that I had to be extremely cautious and make sure that I didn't inadvertently hurt them. (I'm ~6'5", so many FLL/Some FTC kids barely come up to my chest)

Moving forward, it seems like it may be best to either do a series of finale events (as done in the past) or stagger the times for team arrival (FLL goes earlier than FTC and/or FRC) or something of that nature.

Also, I really dislike that one of the yearly decisions seems to be 'Do we watch Einstein and the end of the closing ceremonies or do we go to the finale and arrive early enough to enjoy it?' For some teams the answer is obvious, but to those of us that enjoy watching Einstein or have some vested interest in it, it's not always clear.

[Jim Wilks]

I've been to 3 finales before this one.
The last 2 in Atlanta were awesome.

The first one in St. Louis was a major disappointment.

We didn't attend last year, but heard some good things about it, so we went this year.

I could rant about the terrible bus transportation, the stifling crush of bodies due to overcrowding, the trash everywhere, fireworks while it's raining, but instead I'll summarize it this way:

Finale = Fiasco

[CalTran]

The concept is what made our little 5 person group buy tickets. The food was good, and the venue was great as well. However, the amount of people, was NOT. Goodness, I'm not like a tiny person, but I had fears of being trampled. As well, I think the very close quarters made a few people rather grumpy. The amount of times I got yelled at for "breaking up a group someone was trying to stay with" while I was trying to stay with mine, was kind of startling. What happened to all being one big family?