The smaller bits of history

[Doctor Gandalf]

Looking through some old photos and threads, I started to get a little curious about the gradual changes in FIRST that never really get mentioned. For example, bumpers weren't required before 2008, but I've seen optional bumper rules as early as 2006. Things like that, or how FIRST originally decided on numbering rules, or stories from old times. I'd love to hear about just anything fun that you'd like to share FIRST has a rich history, and I'd hate for new members to miss out on the old time fun.

[Chris Hibner]

Here are a few things:

Team numbers used to change every year, and team numbers were assigned in alphabetical order of the main sponser. In 1999, FIRST decided to stop renumbering teams every year, thus the 1998 numbers were locked into place as long as the team stays intact. Because of the numbering by alphabetical order of sponsor, you see all of the Delphi teams (45, 47, 48) GM teams (65, 66, 67, 68), Motorola teams (108,109,111), UTC teams (175, 176, 177, 179, 180) all grouped together. Team 1 (the Juggernauts) aren't number 1 because they were the first team ever in first, it's just that their sponsor came first alphabetically in 1998. Who was their sponsor? Answer: 3-D Services.

The first year of the optional bumper was 2000. However, there were no rules on what the bumper could be made from. The only team I remember taking advantage of the bumper rule was 47 (ChiefDelphi) which made bumpers from carbon fiber or fiber glass over a metal frame.

Here's a fun one: prior to 2000, the game was played on a field that was roughly half of the current field size. They used to put two fields side-by-side so they could reset one of the fields while the match was being played on the other field. In 2000, they switched to the current field size, but all drivers were at the same end. They would alternate which end had the drivers. That way, driver station could be reset while the previous match was occurring. The first year of having the opposing alliance drivers on opposite ends of the field was 2002.

Prior to 2002, each drive team had two coaches in the driver station.

[OZ_341]

Here is one that I totally forgot about until just yesterday.

In 2000 scouting/strategizing a match was extremely difficult.
Reason: (4) teams were assigned to a match, but you were not told your partners until about 5 minutes before the match.

So you only had 5 minutes, while waiting in the robot line, to strategize the match. So you had to scout really well and be ready for one of three possible alliance combinations for every match.

I can't remember when this practice stopped (2003?) I am pretty sure that in 2001 (during 4 v 0) they scheduled (8) robots and then told you the combination when you arrived in the queue.

That was a very tough situation for scouts, but on another level, interesting and fun.

[Doug G]

Originally Posted by OZ_341

Here is one that I totally forgot about until just yesterday.

In 2000 scouting/strategizing a match was extremely difficult.
Reason: (4) teams were assigned to a match, but you were not told your partners until about 5 minutes before the match.

So you only had 5 minutes, while waiting in the robot line, to strategize the match. So you had to scout really well and be ready for one of three possible alliance combinations for every match.

I can't remember when this practice stopped (2003?) I am pretty sure that in 2001 (during 4 v 0) they scheduled (8) robots and then told you the combination when you arrived in the queue.

That was a very tough situation for scouts, but on another level, interesting and fun.

2001 was the last year of the unknown alliances. In 2002 they handed out match schedules at the beginning of the morning on Friday.

Also the alliance selection in 2001 was #1 paired with #4 and then they picked 2 more robots that were not in the top 8. #2 paired with #5 and so on.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Doug G

2001 was the last year of the unknown alliances. In 2002 they handed out match schedules at the beginning of the morning on Friday.

Also the alliance selection in 2001 was #1 paired with #4 and then they picked 2 more robots that were not in the top 8. #2 paired with #5 and so on.

#1 was paired with #5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8.

[OZ_341]

Originally Posted by Doug G

2001 was the last year of the unknown alliances. In 2002 they handed out match schedules at the beginning of the morning on Friday.

Also the alliance selection in 2001 was #1 paired with #4 and then they picked 2 more robots that were not in the top 8. #2 paired with #5 and so on.

Thanks my memory was a bit hazy on that.

[rsisk]

This is going to be an awesome thread for us relative n00bs

[Kevin Ray]

The game that I thought (and still do) was one of the most unique in FRC history was in 2001 Diabolical Dynamics. It was the only year when there was no competition on the field. Four teams competed on the same side against the clock and their ability to score points. They didn't have to compete against an opponent--strange concept now when you think about it.

[Chris Hibner]

Here's another great one:

There were no divisions at the Championship until 2001. Before 1999, that didn't matter too much since alliances didn't exist and there was no alliance selection. In 1999 and 2000 there were around 200 robots at the Championship all in one giant division. Scouting and alliance selection was a nightmare.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

Here's another great one:

There were no divisions at the Championship until 2001. Before 1999, that didn't matter too much since alliances didn't exist and there was no alliance selection. In 1999 and 2000 there were around 200 robots at the Championship all in one giant division. Scouting and alliance selection was a nightmare.

I wonder if your post in 2000 had any influence on divisions. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=10687

[Joe Ross]

Team updates used to be faxed to every team, and included both updates and Q/A.

Before motorcycle batteries, teams used cordless drill batteries. FIRST had a giant bank of chargers and you would turn in your used batteries after a match and receive charged batteries.

FIRST used to be much more restrictive on parts. You could only use parts that came in the kit, a few additional materials, and around $400 of parts from Small Parts Inc.

Prior to alliances, teams would play a few seeding matches, and then everyone at the event would play a double elimination tournament. One year at the championship, we played 5 matches total, 3 seeding and got eliminated in 2.

The control system used to be owned by FIRST. Each team would get it in the kit and have to return it after the season was over.

Our first year, Dave Lavery visited our team, wearing a Hawaiian shirt. One of the students remarked "I expected a suit". OK, I guess some things don't change.

[artdutra04]

Here are a series of threads about FIRST in the 1990s:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ight=FIRST+101
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ight=FIRST+101
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ight=FIRST+101
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[WhiteJ85]

Before motorcycle batteries, teams used cordless drill batteries. FIRST had a giant bank of chargers and you would turn in your used batteries after a match and receive charged batteries.

How would have it worked with simply bank of chargers? I saw some cordless drill batteries that are still in use to customize some devices.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

Because of the numbering by alphabetical order of sponsor, you see all of the Delphi teams (45, 47, 48) GM teams (65, 66, 67, 68), Motorola teams (108,109,111),

Yes, you can deduce from this that there were Motorola teams 110, 112 and 113 that are no longer around. Team 101 started as an independent sponsor (LoDan), then was acquired by Motorola for a while and then spun back off. They are looking for sponsors if anyone in Chicago area would like to help a great team. ( My Alma Mater, St. Patrick H.S.)

[Koko Ed]

Here's an excellent documentary Xerox made following my team around back in 1992 if you want to know how FIRST was back in the old days.