Go to Post Seating is limited. Be sure to apply deodorant and brush your teeth. - Wayne TenBrink [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > ChiefDelphi.com Website > Extra Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 18:05
Andrew Remmers's Avatar
Andrew Remmers Andrew Remmers is offline
Registered User
AKA: Andrew Remmers
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Orlando
Posts: 390
Andrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Andrew Remmers
pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 18:06
geomapguy's Avatar
geomapguy geomapguy is offline
Centenary '18
AKA: Graham Maxwell
FRC #1818
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Alexandria, LA
Posts: 535
geomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud ofgeomapguy has much to be proud of
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

This makes it all click. Very nice design (and render)
__________________
The Cowboys - FIRST Robotics Team #1818 2015-
The Bolton Bear Bots - FIRST Robotics Team #3666 2011-204 (30-26-0)
2014 Oklahoma Regional - 20/62 (6-4-0), 5/62 in OPR
2014 Arkansas Regional - 14/39 (8-7-0, Quarterfinalists with 1706 and 1939), 24/39 in OPR
2013 Lone Star Regional Dean's List Finalist!
2013 Lone Star Regional - 22/57 (6-5-0), 17/57 in OPR
2012 Bayou Regional - 16/49 (6-5-0)
2011 Dallas Regional - 10/52 (4-2-5, #6 Alliance Captain, Quarterfinalists with 2948 and 3350)
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 18:35
Mk.32's Avatar
Mk.32 Mk.32 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Mark
FRC #2485 (W.A.R. Lords)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 770
Mk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud ofMk.32 has much to be proud of
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Everytime I see a new swerve drive design on CD I just wanna build one even more so...


One of these days...
__________________
Engineering mentor: Team 2485: WARLords 2013-

Team President: Team 3647 2010-2013
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 19:09
yash101 yash101 is offline
Curiosity | I have too much of it!
AKA: null
no team
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: devnull
Posts: 1,191
yash101 is an unknown quantity at this point
Talking Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Yep. They are quite complicated, but pay off in the end, especially if you can get them light enough. By the way, Great design.

Now, for me:
Design and build a swerve drive vex robot to take to competitions! I'd like to see how that would work out
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 19:25
Madison's Avatar
Madison Madison is offline
Dancing through life...
FRC #0488 (Xbot)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1999
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,243
Madison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond reputeMadison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

I think it'd be helpful to see an exploded view of one of the modules so that it's clearer how they're designed and assembled. Any chance of that happening?
__________________
--Madison--

...down at the Ozdust!

Like a grand and miraculous spaceship, our planet has sailed through the universe of time. And for a brief moment, we have been among its many passengers.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 20:44
Andrew Remmers's Avatar
Andrew Remmers Andrew Remmers is offline
Registered User
AKA: Andrew Remmers
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Orlando
Posts: 390
Andrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Andrew Remmers
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madison View Post
I think it'd be helpful to see an exploded view of one of the modules so that it's clearer how they're designed and assembled. Any chance of that happening?
I can work on one yes, no guarantees on the time it'll take to get to it though.

Quote:
Design and build a swerve drive vex robot to take to competitions! I'd like to see how that would work out
Who's to say I haven't already done so?

No, no, in actuality The amount of motor resources I'd like to dedicate to drive is far from optimal so as far as the rules remain the way they are I will not be building a swerve in VEX.
__________________
Exploding Bacon 2007-2011

Built and Dangerous (B.A.D) 2011-2012

Community Mentor / School Break 2012-2014

North American Robotics: The MooseEagles Founding Member 2012-Present (VEX U)

Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 22:12
yash101 yash101 is offline
Curiosity | I have too much of it!
AKA: null
no team
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: devnull
Posts: 1,191
yash101 is an unknown quantity at this point
Talking Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Ya. That would indeed be a bad idea, especially after I just finished a holonomic chassis that requires 4 motor ports, not 8. Also, there is a motor quota of ten, so that would be 4/5ths of my quota!

I'd like to keep some outputs for my cool scanning distance sensor and it's moving mount!
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 22:18
BurkeHalderman's Avatar
BurkeHalderman BurkeHalderman is offline
Casual Robot Observer
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Oxford, OH
Posts: 95
BurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant futureBurkeHalderman has a brilliant future
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

This is awesome, I think smaller 2.5-3.5" wheels are going to start being more "common" for FRC use. I agree an exploded view would really help to understand what all is going on in there.

Also what program did you use to make this render? It's beautiful!
__________________
[2010-2014]: FRC 3266 Robots-R-Us: Founder and Alumni
2010 (5-5-1): Buckeye Regional; Driver
2011 (4-5-0): Buckeye Regional; CORI; CAGE Match; Drivetrain/Manipulator Operator
2012 (7-13-0): Buckeye Regional; Queen City Regional; CAGE Match; BPRC; Drivetrain Operator
2013 (25-15-1): Queen City Regional; Buckeye Regional; Crossroads Regional; CORI; Ohio State Champs; CAGE Match; BPRC; Drivetrain Operator
2014 (21-10-0): Crossroads Regional; Queen City Regional; Designer; Mechanical/Design Mentor

Founding an FRC team as an 8th grader sure wasn't easy, but it was totally worth it.

Get in touch with me:
Personal Facebook

I believe every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don’t intend to waste any of mine. – Neil Armstrong
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-11-2013, 21:55
runneals's Avatar
runneals runneals is offline
FTC Mentor - The Robot Corps 7491
FRC #3928 (Team Neutrino)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Nevada, Iowa
Posts: 397
runneals has a spectacular aura aboutrunneals has a spectacular aura about
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk.32 View Post
Everytime I see a new swerve drive design on CD I just wanna build one even more so...


One of these days...
Swerve is cool, but you have to have a need for it to make it worth while... We did it our first year before I got on our team, and our drive team didn't use it to it's full potential.

Look at all your options for drive trains and pick the one that fits your needs, not the one that just looks cool or the one with the awesome bells & whistles.
__________________
David Runneals
FRC 3928 Team Neutrino 4-H: Mentor (2015 Off-Season - ?)
FTC North Super Regional Championship: Game Announcer (2015)
FTC 7491 The Robot Corps 4-H: Mentor (2013 - ?)
FRC 2167 Mentor (2014)
FRC 3928 Team Neutrino 4-H: Member, Co-Captain, & Media Coordinator (2013)
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 23-11-2013, 21:06
smartkid's Avatar
smartkid smartkid is offline
Boom!
AKA: Cody Smith
FRC #1902 (Exploding Bacon)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 81
smartkid has a spectacular aura aboutsmartkid has a spectacular aura about
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Cody here (the guy who rendered this).

I made the VRC animations Clean Sweep and Round Up.

This render was made with 3ds max 2014 using the mental ray renderer. It utilized three of my four rendernodes which each pack 2x Intel Xeon i7 E5540's + my 4.3 GHz (OC) i7 2700k workstation. Even with all that power this render took a very long time to complete (I ran it overnight).

This isn't surprising, it's a 4k high quality render with DOF and a large trace depth. Believe it or not I've had worse renders. This render of the Toss Up field featured segmented shadows, caustics and volumetric lighting - even @ 1080p it took the entire farm over a day to render.

Andrew's work has always been amazing, rendering it has always been fun.

Regarding the PNG, that is the raw file 3ds generated. It's so big because it's a 16-bit image not an 8-bit like traditional graphics (IE 16 bits per color channel not 8). My 10-bit monitor can display some of this advanced color depth. I gave Andrew the whole image because why not? Fun fact, mental ray actual computes in a 32-bit color-depth.

But yeah a more web-optimized version could be made, PNG or JPEG - doesn't really matter, I like PNG better.

-Cody
__________________

Last edited by smartkid : 23-11-2013 at 21:16.
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 23-11-2013, 22:28
BBray_T1296's Avatar
BBray_T1296 BBray_T1296 is offline
I am Dave! Yognaut
AKA: Brian Bray
FRC #1296 (Full Metal Jackets)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Rockwall, TX
Posts: 947
BBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond reputeBBray_T1296 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

If those red gears are made from plastic like I think they are, shouldn't you be worried about stripping them? they seem awfully thin...
__________________
If molecular reactions are deterministic, are all universes identical?

RIP David Shafer: you will be missed


Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-11-2013, 01:00
Andrew Remmers's Avatar
Andrew Remmers Andrew Remmers is offline
Registered User
AKA: Andrew Remmers
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Orlando
Posts: 390
Andrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Remmers has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Andrew Remmers
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBray_T1296 View Post
If those red gears are made from plastic like I think they are, shouldn't you be worried about stripping them? they seem awfully thin...
They are made from AL, They are also a sensor gear for rotation of the pods
__________________
Exploding Bacon 2007-2011

Built and Dangerous (B.A.D) 2011-2012

Community Mentor / School Break 2012-2014

North American Robotics: The MooseEagles Founding Member 2012-Present (VEX U)

Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 19:08
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,061
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Remmers View Post
I had to shrink the image from its original to get it to upload to CD, So here is the link to the original file. Original Res: 3840x2160

http://polynomic3d.com/user/smith/Andrew%20Swerve.png
There's your problem. Use JPG, not PNG, for renders.

I cropped the 45MegaByte PNG pic and converted to JPG and reduced the filesize by a factor of 200 with no perceptible loss of quality.


Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-11-2013, 23:25
yash101 yash101 is offline
Curiosity | I have too much of it!
AKA: null
no team
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: devnull
Posts: 1,191
yash101 is an unknown quantity at this point
Talking Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
There's your problem. Use JPG, not PNG, for renders.

I cropped the 45MegaByte PNG pic and converted to JPG and reduced the filesize by a factor of 200 with no perceptible loss of quality.


If I weren't using WiFi, I would have killed my data plan!!! That reminds me when I saved a GIMP picture as HTML and the filesize was over 250MB! Crashed my computer the first time I tried to do it!

Last edited by yash101 : 19-11-2013 at 23:30.
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-11-2013, 06:20
Adrian Clark Adrian Clark is offline
Registered User
FRC #1678 (Citrus Circuits)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 79
Adrian Clark is a jewel in the roughAdrian Clark is a jewel in the roughAdrian Clark is a jewel in the roughAdrian Clark is a jewel in the rough
Re: pic: Micro Swerve Module Drive Train

What program was this rendered with?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:29.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi